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Tom Hanks B turned into a grownup Mom. I made this wi on machine and it turned me into a grownup, and now what? You get a job. Cannot get a job.

I play with all of this stuff and then I tell ’em what I think. They pay you for that second vice president. He is only been here a week. See that girl over there in the red short up her legs around so tight. You’ll be begging for mercy. Well, I stay away from her then. See, I’m gonna stay away from her, whatever her name is.

You can tell that that was an old, old [00:01:00] trailer. Yes. It was a little, what I like to call furry, like fuzzy sound quality is a little compromised. Yes. And it’s just, uh, we weren’t very good at telling stories via trailers back then. Now it’s like an art form. I know. Well, I know, I kind of feel like someone else was in charge of it.

Like, what’s the Christmas movie where they um, where the Cameron Diaz character is in charge of trailers. Yes. The holiday. The holiday. Yes. And that’s a good example of like what an art form it is. And there are many directors who direct movies now who insist on directing their own trailer. Interesting.

Yeah. So it’s part of the negotiation. It’s a part of the negotiation, which doesn’t that make sense? There are so many movies that have come out that I’ve watched the trailer and been like, no, thank you. Yeah. So a trailer is important. And that trailer was for the movie. Big. And that is the beginning of Tom Hanks month.

Got some claps. Uh, yeah. I’m a little rusty on the claps. I don’t even have my soundboard open. I’ll, I’ll, I’ll get the claps later. No, just go look for it and I’ll just clap and then talk a little bit. ’cause have the soundboard [00:02:00] ready to go. I know, I know. I, I screwed up there. Go. All right. Okay. Um, so do we know what four movies we’re gonna do in Tom Hanks month?

Okay, so I, we’re obviously doing big, I know we’re gonna do, um, toy Story. Yeah. And that’ll be a fun one. That’s a good one. And I think we’re gonna do Forrest Gump. Forrest Gump. Forrest Gump. And I think we considered Castaway, but then there’s many others that of their own. Yeah. I don’t know. I mean, maybe we tried Bachelor party, but we can’t get our hands on Bachelor party and it’s not anywhere.

Not only is it nowhere, but we started just watching clips on YouTube, kind of like what we did with Revenge of the Nerds. And Bachelor Party doesn’t age that well. Not age well. Even though Todd and I have very fond memories because it’s kinda like the eighties. Bom buddies, Tom Hanks, my name’s Josh Baskin.

What’s your name? And also like we could go into Splash ’cause John Candy’s in it. That would be fun. So you know what I might do [00:03:00] Todd? I might do a poll like on Yeah. The story. So I’m gonna write myself a note. Give the power to the people. Yeah. So just know the two that we’re definitely doing are Toy Story and this big ’cause we and Force Gump.

And we’re definitely gonna do Force Gump. So we have room for one more? Yes. Okay. So yeah. So this is uh, Tom Hanks month. November is a very warm month. We’ve got Thanksgiving coming up. Um, we’ve got the holidays, we’re rolling into the holidays. And I think, I don’t know about you, but if someone asked me who one of the warmest actors.

Who is the warmest actor in Hollywood? That is male. Yeah. I think they call him like the modern day whatever. Jimmy Stewart. Jimmy Stewart. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So I think Tom Hanks is a good November, uh, category, or what is he a not category? What’s the word you theme? You always like, I wanna theme. Yeah, I like themes.

That way our listeners can kind of have an idea. So anyways, I said my name is Josh Baskin and, and then you talked about other things. Oh, sorry. What’s your name? Sorry. Well, I put Susan. Yeah, but you know, [00:04:00] there’s not a lot of women to choose from in this movie, sweetie or Susan. Okay. For today. So I’ll just be Susan.

I love, um, Elizabeth, um, Montgomery. No. Perfect. That’s not her name. Perkins. I get those two Elizabeths mixed up. There’s, there’s a lot of Elizabeths from the eighties. Yes. Oh, who’s Elizabeth Montgomery? Uh, she’s having a baby. Isn’t that right? I don’t think it’s Montgomery. Oh, uh, is Elizabeth McGovern McGovern?

There you go. Thank you. So, but yes, so I will be Susan. You can be Josh today. What is Zen I 30? You are 12? Yes. Um, what is Zen Pop? That’s that’s true in many ways, by the way. Is it? You’re 30 and I am 12. That’s what you just said. Do you remember being 30? I do. Uh, so we have, uh, where this, this podcast, Zen pop is where Gen X pop culture meets real life reflection.

And this is a really fun Gen X movie. Yes. ’cause it came out in 85, I think it’s 87. 87, but I could be wrong. Um, oh, 88 Todd. 88. So all of us were wrong. So can I, I I should be saying this off. Uh, [00:05:00] not while we’re recording. Okay. But the set the scene, sometimes you talk about what’s going on in the world. Okay.

It seems like that’s like lady redundant woman. Like we know that it was Reagan, Clinton. We know it was happening. It’s not lady Redundant woman. What if somebody’s coming in for the first time to Zen Pop and they don’t know that we talk about that? Yeah. Well, let’s just hope they go back in the archives and can listen to us.

Say, well, Ronald Reagan was president and da da. I just. Um, I’m not a fan of it. You say bored with what I’m saying of that part of it. Yes, I am. Well, this was the tail end of the rayer. This is a lot different. This is totally different. An ambition and image were everything. That’s right. Can I give you my, my just as annoying AI summary?

Okay, go ahead. Of, I asked Chad Giti to bring up big in three parts and each part’s like two sentences. Okay. Act one. It’s called the Wish. Yep. So far, uh, 12-year-old Josh Baskin frustrated with being small and overlooked Wish member. [00:06:00] He, uh, couldn’t get on the rollercoaster at the time. I remember, uh, he wishes on a Zoar machine to be big.

He wakes up as an adult and unable to convince anyone he’s still a kid. Runs away with help from his best friend Billy. I’m a big fan of Billy, by the way. Yeah. Who promises to find the machine again? Act two playing grownup. In New York, Josh lands a job at a toy company and quickly impresses the boss.

With his childlike insight, he moves into his own place, revels in adult freedom, and starts dating coworker Susan. That’s you, sweetie. It is. Until the pressures of work and romance begin eroding his innocence, I think he was only dating her for like a week, so I don’t know if that’s a really strong sentence.

Eroding his innocence. Yes. Well, she took his innocence, sweetie. I know. I mean, I understand all the like virginity stuff, but I also feel like he maintains. Innocence. Well, he chooses to go back to his innocence. What he does, what he does, act three, it’s the return, sweetie. When Billy finds his altar machine, [00:07:00] Josh realizes adulthood isn’t what he imagined.

After an emotional goodbye to Susan, he wishes to be a kid again and returns home forever changed by his brief, but eye-opening trip into grownup life. How do you think that chat PT did? I think because it’s just trying to give us the basics. Yeah, it did just fine. Okay. Um, and I think that is really like one scene.

I know I’m just jumping right in the middle, but just to kind of, you know, maybe instead of saying. Took his innocence, that he starts to develop certain wisdom about how to engage with the world. That’s what I was gonna say. Yeah. That’s, that’s what he should do. And the reason why is because a scene that that’s in the movie that I don’t think it’s talked about a lot is, you know, he moves into this hotel, right?

Mm-hmm. That is, um, St. James. The St. James. Yeah. It’s a, it’s religious. Yeah. Um, he moves into the St. James Hotel and obviously the first night he’s crying, crying, crying for good reason. There’s people yelling outside of his door, there’s shotguns outside the window. And then about 15 minutes after that, [00:08:00] he’s got a job.

He’s doing all these things. And then you just see him in the same hotel room watching tv, eating Oreos. Yeah. Completely unaffected by what’s going on around him. Us humans adjust, we adapt, we do. Um, I do wanna play set the scene music. You okay with that? Yeah, I’m ready.

All right. So setting the scene, I do wanna talk a little bit about, um, other movies that were kind of in this same genre. And I just wanna know from you, sweetie, what, if anything, do you remember about any of these movies? Okay, so we’re talking about Big, and I asked, uh, chat to talk about, you know, were they Body Swap or they get Young or something like that.

Um, so Big was the first one mentioned, but they, but that’s not Body Swap. Oh, but get young. Yes. Yeah. Yes, yes. Either one. Uh, like father, like son. What, if anything, do you remember about like father, like Son? [00:09:00] Uh, I think it was Judd. What was his name? The guy from Fast Times Ridge, ma High. What’s his name?

You’re thinking of? Judge Reinhold. Judge Reinhold. That was vice versa. Vice versa. That’s Judge Reinhold and Fred Savage. Got it. Okay. Like father, like son, I feel like I should know. I don’t know. Dudley Moore and Kirk Cameron. Ooh, random. I was at a time in my life where I was watching a lot of bad movies over and over again, so I saw like father, like son a bunch of times and it’s really kind of funny.

Was it growing Pain’s era? Yeah. And uh, it’s always more fun to to for the Dudley Moore part ’cause he gets to play a kid. A kid. Whereas Kirk Cameron is just like a bossy old man. Yeah. He has to like tone it down. And I do love Judge Reinhold by the way. And vice versa. Who’s the kid? Fred Savage. Okay, so they, Dudley Mor.

It’s Kirk Cameron. Yep. And then vice versa. Vice versa. Judge, judge Reinhold and Fred Savage, they switched bodies after touching a magical Tibetan skull as people do of course. Whereas Dudley Mor and [00:10:00] Kirk Cameron switched bodies after drinking a mysterious potion. They’re just like, all right, let’s just come up with a wave for these people to switch bodies.

And then there’s another one, which I also love that I don’t think anybody saw called 18 again. Sure. We did. Who was in 18 again? Isn’t that, uh, Matthew Perry? No. I mean, this is the 1988 version. Oh, okay. Okay. Of 18. Again, I think I’m thinking of 17 again. I think you might be right, which is, uh, Zach upfront.

Um, okay. Let’s see. 18 again. Again, it was George Burns. With this random actor I’ve never seen before or since. No, I, I think I could probably recognize the cover of the, of the movie. But no. George Burns elderly, uh, elderly millionaire swaps bodies with his teenage grandson after an accident. Boy, we had such a George Burns run.

We did. We, gen Xers are like, George Burns was, he was, you know, everywhere. Oh God. Oh God. Part two. Oh God. Oh God. The devil. What was the, oh god, you devil, devil. Yes, but oh God was [00:11:00] great. ’cause that was John Denver. Yes. I mean, come on. John Denver in a movie I love John Denver. And then lastly, dream, a Little Dream is in here.

Yes, sure is. Corey Feldman switches places with Jason Robards. They switch consciousness through a metaphysical Dream experiment. I remember watching that movie not having any clue what was happening. Yeah, it’s very, uh, um, it’s the Corey’s. Yep. It’s Meredith Salinger. Mm-hmm. I remember. And then finally we have Freaky Friday.

Yeah. That’s, uh, Jamie Lee Curtis, Jamie Lee Curtis and Lindsay Lohan. And they had a nine and there was a 19 What? There was a Jodi Foster one what there? 1976 version? Yeah. Of Jodie Foster. I don’t know who she would do that with. And then lastly, all of me with Steve Martin. Yes. And Lily Tomlin. And there’s some very funny parts.

Very funny. Okay. Yes. You and I I think we bonded over that one time. Yeah. Yes, yes. Um, okay. That’s all I have for set the scene. What do you have? Well, I’m not gonna talk about the Reagan era. Okay, thank you. Um, or that MTV was at its peak. Um, [00:12:00] what I’m gonna talk about, oh one, I’m gonna say a few things. Todd and I are rewatching stranger things because as everybody knows, you know, it, it season five mm-hmm.

Starts and this month, Thanksgiving month. And um, one thing I noticed is I was like the walkie talkies, it’s like stranger things love the walkie talkies. I know. And I was trying to think, let’s talk about this. What are other movies where kids use. Walkie talkies. Sustained connection. Did they have ’em in et Uh, I don’t remember.

Great question. I mean, stranger Things is a big one and then Big is a big one. Yeah. Um, but I was just like, oh yeah, I love that. Like window to window. Mm-hmm. Okay. So, um, let’s just talk about some real basic things like that. Penny Marshall was the director. Yes. We crush it. Um, and that the writers were Gary Ross and Ann Spielberg.

Who is Steven Spielberg’s sister. Um, Tom Hanks, uh, Elizabeth Perkins, Robert Logia. Mm-hmm. Um, Jared Rushton, who plays Billy. Yeah. Who you were talking about. Mercedes [00:13:00] Rule Yep. Is his mom. And John Levitz is his coworker. And then John Heard is also a coworker. Um, big was nominated for two Oscars, uh, best actor and best original screenplay.

Mm-hmm. Um, as you already mentioned, it was inspired by the body swap or wish refi, uh, fulfillment movies. You know what, we didn’t talk about 13 going on 30. Oh, which is that a uh, Jennifer Garner. Okay. And Mark Ruffalo. Okay. Um, and then 17 again, which we kind of talked about. Um, and then there, this was crazy.

There was a Broadway musical, um, of Big in 1996. Sounds awful. It flopped. Imagine that it flopped. I’ll just leave it at that. Um, how about Todd, I’m gonna ask you, have you ever seen a Zoltar machine in the wild? No, I have. You have? Yes. Zoltar machines are really out there and I think they are there as a result of the movie.

I think so too. It says that they live in memorabilia [00:14:00] collections and there’s functional versions of them in arcades and museums, which I have seen them before and been like, this is really cool. Yeah. Um, when there was this, uh, place, this pizza place I used to go to in DeKalb, what was it called? It was called Pizza Villa.

You’d go down the stairs and there was like an arcade, right? Just like any good place. And, um, there, and maybe this woman was in the front, I can’t remember, but there, I think was a woman with a, you know what, no. Am I messing this up with, um, the place we go to in Galena? Uh, happy Joe’s. I love Happy Joe’s.

Happy Joe’s had no basement though. No, it didn’t. I think it’s where there’s like a woman in a, like a, a ball where she like, she tells your future. Oh yeah. Like, yeah. Yeah. Like the crystal ball lady. The crystal ball lady. Yeah. Is that a Happy Joe’s or was that a pizza villa? I think it’s Pizza Villa. I don’t remember that lady being a Happy Joe’s.

But it was the same kind of thing where you’d make a and they’d give you a card, you’d make a wish or ask it a question and then a card would pop out. Yeah. So you gave it money to tell you something scary and awful. Yeah. Um, [00:15:00] so it was like, we already talked about it came out in 1988. Um, critics loved it.

Mm-hmm. I thought that was great to hear. That is, um. Let’s see. The, and audiences loved it. It was the first female directed movie to gross over 100 million. Nice job Petty Marshall, which was groundbreaking. Yep. Um, and, uh, let’s see, kids and parents liked it. It’s very hard to find those movies. That’s a very, uh, that’s a really Tom Hanksy thing is to have a movie that both kids and adults like.

Yeah. Kinda like Toy Story. Exactly. You know what I mean? Not bachelor party, though. Don’t show your kids’ bachelor party. Yeah. That would probably be a good idea not to do that. Um, and so this was something that I didn’t know exactly where to put this. I didn’t feel like random facts. Yeah. But I wanted to share it because I kind of did a deep dive into a Vanity Fair article.

Um, Tom Hanks, Tom Hanks said Big was the most joyful project of his career. Aw. He loved playing a kid in a grownup’s body because it gave him permission to act on pure instinct. Um, and then he said [00:16:00] many years later, we didn’t know it would be magic. We just knew we were having fun. Penny Marshall, um, she said that she worked really hard to create an atmosphere of play and trust on set, and she encouraged Tom Hanks and the young actor played by a guy named David Moscow, uh, to study each other’s mannerisms.

So adult Josh would be the same person, which Tom Hanks did again, in is that Mr. Gump? Mr. Gump, like Tom Hanks has said that everything he does in Forrest Gump is based off of the kid who played him. Yeah. Like he just talked like him, walked like him. It’s easier for the grownup to adjust to the kid than the other way around.

Correct. So Tom Hanks is obviously very good at that. Elizabeth Perkins said she was moved by the, you know, tenderness of the story. I don’t like that word tenderness, but she used it. Why don’t I like that word? Do you like that word? I got no beef with tenderness. It reminds me of tenderized, tenderizing my steak.

Yeah, I know, but it feels, I don’t know, it kind of is a moist word to me. I don’t like it. Yeah, but not as bad as moist. No, maybe not. This’s the [00:17:00] worst. She described the film as a fable about the moment you realize you’ve lost your innocence. There you go. Wow. We were just talking about that. And then she and, uh, Tom Hanks reportedly spent a lot of time discussing the tone and how to keep their chemistry romantic, but innocent loved it.

They did, they they thread that needle very well, I think. I thought so too. So, you know, I think now, you know, big is one of the defining films of the eighties. Yeah. Sometimes like, as far as best pictures, you know, like ET and Ris Wheelers Day Off Breakfast Club Big is always up there. It’s a coming of age film for adults.

A big reminder of what gets lost as we get older. Um, and, you know, it’s, that’s kind of the gist. Can I, um, I’m just, I accumulated a few of my favorite scenes from this movie. Sure. And, uh, some of them play well to, uh, audio, but some of them don’t. So the ones that don’t play well, the audio, I’m just gonna tell you what my favorite is.

Can I do something really quick? Sure. Because I think we can blend two [00:18:00] things that we brought. Let’s blend. Okay. So I wanted to do a new, um, what’s it called? A new What? Space Goes Downtown Bay. Down Down. New Category. New category. My brain is, is skipping today. All right. I wanted to do a new category specifically for this film for you.

Oh, love it. Okay. And I wanted to call the category like, um, I think like things. We say in real life that are from this movie. Oh, okay. So in other words, things that, things we say in part of our day to day language that are inspired or Exactly. From this movie. Yeah. Oh, I wrote things we say in everyday life that are from this movie.

So I’m gonna go even like another layer of something we have to figure out. I, I have three songs that we could use and you have to choose which one. This is called Figuring Out the Podcast while we’re recording. Correct. Go ahead. It’s fun. Yes, we could, ’cause I was putting in talk and words and all that kind of stuff.

So there’s a song by Frankie Ford called You Talk Too Much. Okay. Do you [00:19:00] wanna play it and see? Uh, I could try my best to pull it up pretty quick. Yeah, see if you can pull it up. And then there’s two others, but I’ll give you time to pull up this one. Frankie Ford Uhhuh, you talk too much. Too much. Let’s, and go a little bit in, you know, like, yeah.

10 or 20 seconds. I will do that right now.

So are these the themes for this category? Yes. Oh, so we’re choosing a new theme song. Explore this category. Okay, so it’s this one. Or we can use, and I thought this was very, Kathy and Todd, remember when we did the whole podcast about like songs that are by a band of the same name, like Big Country and Big, their biggest song is Big country.

Bad company. Bad company, correct. Well, there is a band, it’s kind of like an alt band from the eighties called Talk Talk. Okay. And their biggest song was Talk, talk, talk, talk. Alright. And it’s called Talk, talk, talk. And go. Like 30 seconds in, you won’t know the [00:20:00] songs, you didn’t listen to this kind of music.

But I know this song from MTV. Let’s see if we can that it. Yes.

I know Todd doesn’t like that when he, he, so far we’re over for two. Okay, so the last one is A, it’s a good one. Charlie XC. X song. Okay. Also called Talk. Talk. Is Charlie XEXA, boy or girl? I didn’t even know it’s a woman. Okay. Charlie. SEX. And go about 30 seconds on it. And what’s the name of the song? Talk Talk.

Well a lot of talk. Talk. How do you spell Charlie? SEX Is it? Um, it’s X. C. X. So Charlie, the name and then X. C. X. Literally X those letters. Oh, I think I found it. Let’s do a little bit of this action.

She’s definitely going with this one. Okay, so then you’re playing it right now. This is the entry to this category. Okay. Things we say in [00:21:00] everyday life that are from this movie. Okay. So you have a bunch of things in front of you. Some of them I think you probably already say, in every everyday life.

Correct. What do I have in front of me? You mean the scenes that I like? You were gonna play some things. So play the or I have them all written down ’cause I know what Todd says. Yes, you do. Um, so I, before we get into, um, the space goes Yes. Um, I just wanna say that one of my favorite scenes I kind of look at, looked at the movie from beginning to the end.

My first favorite scene is obviously when. He realizes he’s big for the first time when he wakes up on his, in his bunk bed. Yes. And like he hits his head on the thing as he tries to duck underneath the bunk bed. Yep. And he jumped down and, and then he looks in his underwear to see what package he’s got going on.

It sure does. So that is, um, a very good, uh, moment in the movie. It is. And also when he looks in the mirror and then he laughs. Yes. And then looks down. Yeah. Looks back up. Well, he closes the mirror, right? Like he, he thinks he’s seeing [00:22:00] things and then he takes water, rubs him on his eyes. Rubs on his eyes.

Yeah. So the whole thing is just really wild. So that’s really good. Thats just Tom Hanks and his genius. Okay. The second favorite scene of this movie is this one. Something really strange happened and I’m really scared. I need you to help me. My best friend. I can prove it to you.

Goes down, down, baby, down down the rollercoaster three, baby three. Let Jimmy Shimmy shimmy rock. I met girlfriend, she said a biscuit. Ice soda.

It cool I you in the stomach three more times. What I love about that is the very end, it doesn’t end with a good conclusion. Suck you in the stomach three more times and it’s the perfect conclusion to a random weird song from [00:23:00] two 13-year-old boys, which Tom Hanks got from his son, right? Yes, that’s exactly right.

So he brought it into the movie. Yes. And so that is on my list of things that Todd says to people sometimes. Not in like a deep conversation. No, but Todd does do that. Yeah. Whole thing. When in doubt. He and Skylar actually have a video that I love of them doing that to each other. It’s great. Uh, my next favorite scene, are you ready?

I’m ready. Uh, it’s when Billy and him are getting ready for the job interview Uhhuh, and he’s, he doesn’t know how to fill out the application. Yeah. And I dunno, there’s just a lot of funny stuff going on here.

Don’t worry about it. I’m so, security number 32. 1725. What is that? It’s a walker combination. Mr. Baskin. Mr. Baskin. Yes. Yes. So pause there. He doesn’t even [00:24:00] look up. He doesn’t, no, because nobody calls him Mr. Baskets. That’s his dad. That’s his dad, right. And then the lady is really funny. Personnel director will see you now.

Uh, your son can wait out here.

Okay, son, you should sit down and don’t give the lady any trouble now. And he is wearing the blue like suit thing. Yeah. With the huge collars. Oh, it’s so good sweetie. And then he gets into the office and the guy’s like this. Yeah. Yeah. He’s clicking his pen with his bat, strikes me crazy. And then he is like, oh yeah, gw Right.

You pledge every day. Every day. Every morning. Every morning. Um, okay. Um, my next favorite scene is, so I’m checking these off. These are still under the category of things Todd says in everyday life. Now that last one. You don’t say that in everyday life. No, I don’t. I just like that scene. No, that’s right.

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Adolescents three years, two every day at the school.

It was probably best scene in the whole movie. Right, right. Well, not my favorite scene, the movie. I was gonna say, I think it’s most memorable. Yeah. I think it kind of sums up everything. Yeah. And they had body doubles there dressed as them. Did you read this? I I only read that they did it. Uh, it was a whole day.

Yeah. And there was body doubles there that were supposed to take over and cut in when these guys screwed it up. And their goal was to not let the body doubles even show up in the movie. And they were successful. They like crushed the whole thing. Robert Logia. Yes. Byron Mayo. Yes. Um, do you like the piano scene, sweetie?

Um, it’s fine, but that’s not my favorite scene in the movie, sweetie. I got no response from Byron Mayo. [00:26:00] Uh, sorry. I’m trying to do too many things. Um, and, uh, for some reason I think this is a funny scene, don’t you guess? It, it turns from a. Building into a robot. Right? Precisely.

Well, what’s fun about that? Well, if you had read your industry breakdown, you would see that our success in the action figure area has climbed from 27% to 45% in the last two years. There. That might help. Yeah. Oh,

he still doesn’t get it, sweetie. He’s gonna keep raising his hand. I, I, I still don’t get it. Still don’t get it. I get so mad. What, what Don’t you get, judge? Well, Paul plays a really good, bad guy. I love as that scene goes on, because first of all, I love when I’ve seen movies 80,000 [00:27:00] times to just listen to the people in the background.

Right. And, you know, he goes on to explain that he thinks maybe the, it should be a bug that turns into a building. Yeah. Or like it, and that people in the back are like a bug. The guy is like, no, no, no. Robot difference into a bug. He just keeps the guy’s like a lady bug for girls. Yeah. And then, um, he’s like a prehistoric transformer.

Like, now you’re really onto something. The guy gets so mad. So that one connects with something that you say all the time. What do I say? I don’t get it. I don’t get it. I don’t get it. I don’t get it. That’s true. That is true. So I’m checking that one off my list. ’cause Todd says that in real life and now I’m about to play my favorite scene of the entire movie.

Okay. Um, just gimme one second. Oh, this is it.

Who the fuck do you think you are? Hey. Hey. You’re Josh Baskin. Remember you broke your arm on my roof. You hit my basement when Robert Tyson was about to wreck your head on. You don’t get it, do [00:28:00] you? This is important.

I’m your best friend. What’s more important than that? Huh? I’m gonna pause there. Billy has been going into the city by himself to keep his friend Josh Company. I think the mailer that has the Zoltar uh, machine showed up like a few days ago. And Josh isn’t returning any of Billy’s calls. So I know Josh is like, Billy’s like, screw this.

I’m going into the city to say WTF, where are you? And he’s just like dismissing him and not much gratitude for Billy. And then Billy finally is the one who wakes him up. I think the hero in this movie is Billy. Well, it’s a best friend movie again. Stranger Things. Yeah. It’s very like eighties. This was the ET kind of vibe, you know?

Oh, stand by me. Yep. You know, who are your best friends, you know, when you’re 12 years old kind of thing. And I would say that in the scene where Billy and Josh find the St. James [00:29:00] Motel. Yeah. And. Billy and Josh is like, I don’t wanna stay here alone. And Billy’s like, well, I gotta get home before 10. I’m more worried about Billy going back on the bus right at nine 30 or whenever he’s leaving than I am about Josh.

Yeah. Like, Billy’s like a rockstar, right? He’s coming into the city on the bus Right. Um, into New York. Like, come on. Right. But yes, I mean, and that’s the whole point, is that they’re the, if you really to break the movie into, into acts the, you know, a CTS into like categories, it’s that it starts out with them together and then even in the middle.

Let’s do it in four in the middle. It’s still them together. Fair. And then once, uh, he gets really involved with Susan. And it’s not Susan’s fault per se. No, of course not. It’s just that he starts to have other experiences as adults do, and then he gets into his job and he becomes vice president and all these things he and Billy break apart, and then at the end he chooses Billy Well, and think about life lessons, and this is probably stepping on another category, but how many of us [00:30:00] choose our work, our profession, our um, you know, our kids, and we completely lose ourself?

Mm-hmm. I think that there’s a lot of wisdom in this movie. Yeah. Oh, for sure. I mean, and we’ll get into this with rolling in the deep, but, um, okay, so can I go back to my new category? Yeah. Whatever everything you played is relevant to it. Okay. But, um, again, with our Charlie XCX music of that, this is about talking.

Yes. Um, you always say We wee jacks. We we wee jacks. Yes. And that is some random thing. When something good happens. And then they do this thing where they, they do it their fingers. They go put their fingers and then pull their pillows, their fingers together. W they do it. The time I remember is when they are looking for they’re reading in the paper.

Yeah. About, and he’s like, computer, computer programmer. Computer operator. Computer operator. Read that. Um, you also do the Billy look. Yes. With the cherry. I do a lot of things for this movie. And then you and I together, one of our favorites that we say [00:31:00] all the time. Mm. Hockey, oh, hockey. I think you and I are the only people on the planet that say that.

Well, and it’s come to mean like when we’re exaggerating something kind of like, and this is gonna be good and this is good. And we’re like, and hockey. Right. And when does he say that? I missed it when I was watching it yesterday. Is it he, what’s he explaining? Uh, he’s introducing his new, uh, game. And is it, is it the new comic book?

Yeah, it’s this new comic book game. Yes. Yes, yes. So we say hockey. Yes. All the time. Okay. So you also do memories like Phone My Mind, mind, um, and then this one. Oh, this one I just think is funny. I don’t think you do it, but I like when he gets to the, the holiday party and he’s like, Hey, that’s the guy from the meeting.

Yeah. Such a little kid thing to say. Most of the genius of this movie is in the small, tiny little things like that. Oh, there’s the guy from the meeting. Hi. Oh, there’s Ms. Patterson High. There’s Ms. Patterson High. Yeah. [00:32:00] And of course, you know the eating of the small corn cob, which it’s not really even a corn cob.

Great. That’s cute. And then I think it’s funny when they’re in the, um, in the limo and she’s like. I’m really vulnerable right now and I love my job. Yeah. And he goes, eject her seat. Yes. He’s like, so not listening as kids do not, she’s like trying to get into the steep conversation, but then he goes through the top of the, um, you know, the limo?

Yeah. The, and then probably my only, well I like a few Billie Idol songs, but The Good Billie Idol song, places, plays, yeah. Uh, and it’s called Hot in the City. Right. That’s a Billie Idol song, isn’t it? I don’t know. Will you play it? Uh, I don’t have it up right now. Are you, like, focused on something else you’re gonna play?

I’m trying to find hockey, but hockey, uh, I can’t really, don’t do that one. Do hot in the city instead. I know, sweetie, but it takes me a little bit to get there. So you have to talk. Yeah. But what if I just talk if you Okay. I have [00:33:00] something good to talk about. Go ahead. And I think it’s interesting. Let’s stay on Susan, since I’m talking about this scene.

Look at me. I just found it. You did? I did Acky. The, uh, no, this is the ejector seats. Okay. Right now. And I, I mean, I love my jaw and

Hey Billy Idol. I think it’s Todd. Well, I’m not gonna challenge you because I’m the worst person to answer a question like that. I just didn’t know Billy Idol did hot in the city. Well, I mean, I think so, and I’m gonna look it up because Yeah. Billy Idol. Okay. So can we, should we go to, uh, I’m not quite sure which category this should fall under ’cause I wanna talk about Susan’s transformation to being genuine.

Okay. Should we do that and set the scene or should we do that in random facts or in WTF? Uh, do we have to do remember when? I have no memory of the first time I [00:34:00] saw this. Great. So let’s. Hold on. I gotta, I got too many things playing music right now. Okay. I’m gonna do this then. So let’s head on over to random, random facts.

Okay. We’ve got a lot of them. How do weighs eight pounds here? Do you know the human? How do weighs eight pounds? All random facts. You want me to start? Yeah, go ahead. All right. Random facts. I got a quite a plethora of these guys, or at least I thought I did. Uh, Robert De Niro. Yes. He was originally cast as Josh before Tom Hanks De Niro’s, darker version of the script.

Lean more dramatic than comedic. That would’ve been awful. It would’ve been really bad. So bad. Isn’t that weird how you think, like you have a script and you kind of know what the story’s gonna be, but if De Niro took it, he would’ve made a completely different movie. Yeah. And whoever directed it, right? I don’t, you know, like the director sets the tone and the vision, right?

Right. So you can take a script and go a lot of different ways with that. The [00:35:00] Zar Speaks machine was built for the film. We already talked about that. Yeah. Um, replicas exist worldwide. You’ve figured that out. And the film was nominated for two Oscars. Yeah. Do you know the two Oscars? I did. I set ’em at the beginning.

Screenplay. Screenplay and best actor. And that was his first nomination? Mm-hmm. I wonder who won that year? Let’s think. 1988. Well, we always screw up because 88 means 89. Correct. And all that stuff. I don’t know. Okay. I don’t know either, but we’ll figure it out. Uh, that’s all I got for random facts. Um, let’s see.

I also s uh, let’s see. I saw that Harrison Ford, Kevin Costner, and Dennis Qua also passed on the role. Yeah. Did you see that? I did see a few of them, but I, I never believe any of that. ’cause it always seems like it’s. The top five or six actors in that era of the time always on the list. So I just don’t know how much I believe at all.

Right. So I, I kind of agree with you. Um, but I did get the Robert De Niro thing, so that definitely was the case. Um, and, and, and [00:36:00] actually I also read that Tom Hanks initially turned it down because he had been doing Dragnet and then once he was done Little Turner and Hooch action. Yeah. That time he was in a lot of movies.

He was just getting it going. Um, okay. You ready for the best actor, uh, category let’s it for 1988. Some guy named VX Max v sido for Pel The Conqueror. Okay. Edward James Almos for Stand and Deliver. That’s a great movie. That’s a great movie. Mm-hmm. Tom Hanks for Big Gene Hackman for Mississippi Burning.

Okay. And you know who the winner is? I mean, I haven’t given you the, the, the last person. Okay. No, no guesses. Go ahead. Uh, Dustin Hoffman. Rainman. Yeah. So he won. So interesting. ’cause Dawson Hoffman did a wonderful job, uh, being Raymond Babbitt. Is that it? Mm-hmm. Charlie Babbitt. Um, but there’s not a lot of range there.

No. And it was one person’s story of autism. Now, we couldn’t have known that back then because that was new language to us. But not everybody who’s autistic, who’s autistic looked, you know? Yeah. [00:37:00] It just kind of set a tone for what autism looked like. Oh my God. It took me years to unravel. I, there’s still a part of me that’s like, oh, autism means Rainman.

And that’s Or being a savant. Yeah. Right. And that’s totally not true. Wapner four o’clock Wapner. Um, yes. So I also. Okay. So the apartment that Josh buys after getting Rich, which I thought was so interesting. Okay, so walk me through this. He gets the job as the computer programmer. Yeah. Sitting next to John Levitts.

Yeah. And they get their first paycheck and it’s $150. I think it’s like $187. I think it’s in the, it could be 54. Yeah. And maybe I heard it wrong, but it was not a lot. Yeah. And then he and Billy have a great scene where they go to the bank and like they get it in like, you know, funny bills Yeah. And stuff like that.

And then they go out and have a great day. It’s actually a lovely scene. Sure. ’cause they go have fun. And Billy said, we just had a lot of fun, didn’t we? Yeah. Which is beautiful. But then and again, I know that he moves up. Yeah. You know, [00:38:00] to a bigger role. But, you know, it’s just a funny place to start. We gotta suspend, uh, we gotta suspend.

Reason because even if he did get some promotions, come on, he bought a lot of stuff in a really sweet New York, Manhattan. It was in Soho. Yeah. And that space would be 5 million or more. Yeah. I mean, so it’s just like his renting suite and you know, we have to do the same thing with friends and all those shows.

That’s right. Like they, they can’t really afford those places. Yeah. Um, and then, uh, it was nice. Penny Marshall filmed a lot of it in New York. Yeah. They didn’t do a lot of lots, which is cool. Um, it says that something that, that was filmed that they didn’t put in the movie or No, this was in an early draft.

I don’t think they filmed it. That Susan’s character also made a wish at the Zoltar machine. Oh, interesting. Yes. But it was, it test audiences thought it was confusing. You mean at the end she did. Yes. It says in an early draft, Susan’s character also made a wish at the Zoltar machine, but the ending was [00:39:00] changed because test audiences found it too confusing.

Now that would tell me They did film it, huh? Right. If there’s a test audience, right. So that’s confusing. Yeah. Um, okay. So should I do my Susan stuff now? Uh, we should probably do Susan under the WTF. Okay. Let’s do it then. Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got outta hand fast. It jumped up a notch.

It did, didn’t it? All right. What do you got for Susan? Well, before I say that, 1750 for the room. $10 deposit for the sheets. Yeah. It’s pretty cheap. Yeah. Yeah. The, explain to me the sheets. Well, they give you sheets. Right. And if you don’t, if you take ’em upon exit, you lose that deposit. Oh, got it. Yeah. Got it.

Why would we take sheets? Um, well, there’s not a lot of abundance for people that stay at St. James, so maybe they wanna take it to Got it. [00:40:00] Use, keep themselves warm at night. Yeah. I guess like then we could, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good point. I hear that. Um, then also, uh. Josh on the milk carton, which I thought was a very good eighties moment.

Yeah, that’s a hidden gem. Oh dang. Did I take that one from you? That’s okay. It’s fine. Okay. So now I will go to, um, Susan. So one of the coolest things about the movie is, you know, there there’s many levels of transformation and we talk a lot about Josh, but really Susan changes a lot too. Sure. So when we meet Susan at the beginning of the movie, she has really tight clothes, not like.

Showing off her body, but just like really contoured clothes, you know, like a, like work clothes, kinda like, um, suits. Sarah Jessica Parker and a Christmas movie You like so much? Yes. It’s that kind of person. It’s a very tightly wound. Family stone. Family stone. Yeah. A very tightly wound person. Her hair is back and it’s very severe.

Yeah. She walks very intentional and she yells at people a lot. Yeah, she’s a screamer. The [00:41:00] first scene where you meet Susan, she walks in to yell at her boss about Yeah. That’s during the interview, correct? During the interview, yeah. Um, where he’s doing this with his pen? Yeah. Okay. And she also is a big smoker at the beginning, so she, her, you know, everything is like, um, kind of a.

Oh, like don’t mess with me kind of person. You know what I mean? Like serious, very stoic. Very stoic executive. And also she is dating the other sleazy executive. Well, we’re gonna talk about that. Okay. So I won’t get deep into that. Paul name is policy, but can I just give Susan A. Little slack here? Sure.

She’s playing a game of survival in that office. Yeah. Where people are like, oh, and you slept with this guy and you’ve been with this guy and you’ve done this. And obviously the first time she sees that Josh is really well liked by the boss. Mm-hmm. She gets interested in Josh, but she’s trying to survive a male dominated field.

So real quick question. Do you think Susan or I know she ended up [00:42:00] liking him for real, correct. But you think the beginning of it is because his star was on the rise of the company? Yes, absolutely. Okay. And I think she, there’s, it’s less about, I wanna sleep with this guy and more about, because there’s actually a scene where John heard says, well, he’s got the attention of.

Whatever. Uh, yeah, the boss, the guy, the boss, McMillan, Zach Mayo and Byron Mayo. Byron Mayo, sorry. Zach’s his son. Sorry. These are all references to officer and a gentleman where he plays Zach Mayo’s dad. Yeah. Um, Robert Logia. But anyway, he says, you know, oh, and you know, the boss really likes him. And Susan says, I know, kind of like they focus on her.

Like, she’s like, okay, now I’m gonna set my sight. The, in this movie a billion times, I never picked up on that. Yeah. Just a real small scene. Um, and so, so her hair and her outfits, they match her very stylized executive world. Very, very stiff, very intimidating. Then she starts to, this is, I think the shift is, we could debate where the shift is, but she starts spending a little [00:43:00] time with Josh, and I would say the first time she spends time with Josh, when, the first time I see her change is when they’re in the limo and he stands up and he says, get up here.

And she has like a. 22nd smile. Mm-hmm. And then they hit a pothole or something and she falls back down. Yeah. Kind of embarrassed. Yeah. But her going through that window, she kind of had a moment of fun. Yeah. Then when they get to his apartment and he just thinks she’s coming over to hang out. Yes. And she thinks she’s going there to sleep with him.

Correct. And he’s like, okay, but I get to be on top, which is a hilarious lie. It is. And he just means the, the bunk beds. And then she, when she goes in and she’s like, oh my God, a child lives here. You know, in her head that’s what she’s thinking. But then they start jumping on the trampoline. Yeah. And she goes from.

Wanting to hold her dress down. Yeah. To having a really good time. Yeah. Like a little kid in pigtails, like she’s seven years old. And so then the next [00:44:00] scene he, Josh, is coming outta the bathroom with his pajamas on and she’s already in bed and her hair is down. Oh yeah. So the hair is a big like signifier of, she’s softening up.

Do you think that she thinks she’s gonna have sex with Josh Baskin that night? I do. I do. Josh has different plans, sweetie. He does, it’s called sleep on the, uh, on the top bunk. On the top bunk. Um, and she is in, must be in one of his shirts or something. I don’t know. It’s like a football jersey or something.

Yeah. But her hair is down and she’s in and she’s just softer and she’s just sweet. Yeah. And, um, literally letting her hair down and then. I think act the end of it. It’s about her, her real person coming out. Yeah. ’cause it’s not all about play for her. Right. She’s still ambitious. She’s still very serious.

Um, in some ways she’s more like real. Yeah. You know, it’s like her hair is down, but it’s not all about that. It’s not all about her appearance, it’s about how she shows up more as herself and how, you know, she’s more vulnerable with him and she’s more, [00:45:00] um, she’s a better person. So along those lines, yes. I don’t know what, what’s the relationship between Paul and Susan?

John heard, yes. They had been living together or at least sleeping together. That’s the question. Are they So the next, absolutely. Next, the next scene. She breaks his stuff. Them driving? No. Them driving to work together. Yeah. So they’re probably living together or carpooling one of the two. Right. I mean, people used to carpool and Mr.

Mom, they carpool. So this is the, this is the scene. Okay. Industrial average manager have fun last night. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. You left pretty quick. Gave him a ride home, Paul. Oh, did he enjoy it? I’ll be ridiculous. So let’s pause there. So that tells me they’re not living together, right. Because she couldn’t say I gave him a ride home because if they lived together, [00:46:00] he will have known that she slept over.

So they’re carpooling. So they’re carpooling or he picks her up at the train or something. Got it. So she’s trying to get out this saying, I just gave her a ride home and Okay. That makes a little, if you remember at the party when she, she’s sitting with him smoking. Yeah. What, what’s his name in the movie?

Paul. Paul. She’s sitting with Paul and she’s smoking, she’s watching Josh. She gets up and walks over to talk to Josh and Paul is really drunk. Yeah. And he’s like, blah. Yeah. Like, he’s like s slurry. He’s talking about toys. Yeah. But he watches her leave with him. Yeah. So he knows what’s up. Yeah. Um, so that helps me a little bit so they don’t live together and she’s being dishonest about the sleepover, which is totally normal.

And then like two or three scenes later, she, that’s when she delivers all the, all of his stuff in a bag. Yeah. So in other words, they, yeah, they just, they sometimes sleep over, each other’s sleep. Okay. And there’s a, it’s cute that scene that you’re playing where it doesn’t, she put on hot in the city. Uh, maybe [00:47:00] What does she, I feel like she changes the radio and he’s like, what are you doing?

Come on, leave it. Leave it. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Would you quit it? Contract vote. Yeah. But it makes her laugh. Play with everything. Yeah. She’s getting into her younger self. Yeah. She’s like, it’s funny, you know? Yeah. So that is the Susan transformation. So this movie is focused on Josh again, it’s the eighties.

So we were very focused on how men felt about everything. Um, but there is some deep Susan stuff in there as well, for sure. Yeah. Um, there’s a scene that I’m not gonna play, but when Paul is just such a stupid ass and he wants to feel superior to Josh, so he plays him in that paddle racket game. And just even the way Tom Hanks tries to evade him when he’s trying to, puts the ball in this hand and then puts the ball in his hand.

Yeah. And then he like, does that duck under Mark Uhhuh when he like grabs on the back of his sweatshirt? Like, just like kids. Tom Hanks, like everything he does in this movie is so perfect. Yep. For being [00:48:00] a 13-year-old. Boy, and we really, you just have to go back to what would you instinctually do. Like he actually says that I could use my instincts and I know what he means because something about being an adult is that you have learned what behaviors are appropriate and how to talk and move like an adult.

Right. You know, like there’s certain things you don’t do anymore. Yeah. And when I’m saying that, I’m putting that in air quotes. ’cause I don’t know if we should always follow that. Um, but he just gets to, ’cause that’s the thing, if someone’s grabbing for you, like adults are like ready to punch or run away or whatever, they go into their, all of their fight, flight, whatever, but he just kind of evades and goes under and goes on the ground and you know, it’s what kids do.

Loved it. Um. Yeah. No, you have to suspend logic. You know, the fact that Tom Hanks or Josh Baskin lands a corporate job with no background checks and all that. Like you just have to kind of allow, well, Susan plays a role in that because he’s doing this. Yep. And then, um, and he’s [00:49:00] interviewing and the guy is asking him a lot of questions and he’s, and Josh is giving weird answers.

Then Susan comes in yelling at him Yeah. About this other person that is not showing up well. Yeah. And so I think the guy who was interviewing Josh is like, oh my gosh, can you just start? Yeah. Kind of like, it’s good timing. Yeah. And he’s like, when can you start? And he’s like, soon. Are we ready for hidden gems?

Um, not quite yet. I wanted to say something about Zoltar. So you mentioned that the Zoltar machine came in and Billy’s trying to answer him. There’s also a really important scene where he and Susan go on, like their first big date. Yeah. Um, and they are walking on the, what is it called? The boardwalk. Yeah.

And as they’re going to go dance, they walk right by his altar machine. Oh, you’re right. Yeah. So, so he’s totally symbolic. Symbolic. He’s not noticing what he’s doing. Yeah. Anymore. Good catch. Um, sweet. That would be a hidden gem. Yes. That would’ve been a hidden gem. Sorry about that. Should we just have gone over to him?

Yeah, go ahead. Still. I still [00:50:00] make the, make the band. They asked him. Do you have a man?

Okay. Uh, I have a few hidden gems. Not too many, but good ones. So, um, for me, the hidden gem is that I love Billy. Yes. Um, I just think that he is the moral compass of the entire movie and he loves his friend and he just wants to be with his friend. And kind of just reminds me of like some stand by me energy where you just want to go play with your friends.

I can totally identify and relate to that. Yeah. Um, there is a deleted scene. That I’m gonna play here in a second. Um, and it’s Billy’s home life. Okay? And I talked to you a little bit about this. Yes, you told me about this. Um, and his mom is just not that kind of a person. Uh, she’s not a kind person. So I’m just gonna give you a little bit of audio listening.

So Billy is at the dinner table with his [00:51:00] entire family and his mom is just on one. And it just gives you some insight and any of you appreciate that you walked in here. Like it’s some kind of a resort, lounging around waiting for your dinner to be cooked, you walls to be ice. So Billy’s like setting that, just putting all the food on the table once thought about how I feed.

Do you know what it’s like to work eight hours and come home to this every fucking day? So it’s very like, it doesn’t fit the tone of the movie and maybe that’s why they take it out. Mm-hmm. Um. It gave Billy A. Little bit more story, I guess, which would’ve been fine. But anyways, that, like you said, it helps understand, it helps explain why he can go into New York and nobody cares.

Right. Um, the other hidden gem is, I think John Lovetts is hilarious in this movie and his small art, that random stuff when he’s dancing. Did you see how he danced? Yeah. He’s like, Ugh. Yeah. He’s like making these weird songs when he dances. [00:52:00] Um, the, uh, the boss, Mr. McMillan, he’s such a sweetheart. Yes. He’s not like some egotistical.

Big time corporate, CEO guy. He listens to anybody. Anybody who has a good idea. It doesn’t matter if they’re top executives or lowly people like Josh Baskins was. Well, two McMillan things. Number one, the fact, the fact that he goes to FAO Schwartz to look around and see what kind of toys are there. Yeah.

He’s like, I do this once a week or whatever, just to see. So he’s trying to, from the top down. Yeah. Be thoughtful. And then this kind of, you know, I don’t love this, but he, when they’re at the holiday party and Susan goes over to talk to him and ask him questions about work, she’s trying to like have a conversation with him about work and he says.

Have a drink. Have a drink. Like let’s not talk about work the whole time. Have a couple of drinks. Yeah. It’s a party. Exactly. So that’s a good boss thing too, even though it ends up falling on the woman. Of course. You know? Yeah. But, um, it still is, it, it tells you what kind of boss [00:53:00] he’s go to, counterbalance that.

I think Elizabeth Perkins is really, really good in this movie. Oh, me too. I love it. So anyways, I think I’m a big fan of Elizabeth Perkins. I mean, like I, uh, you know, this movie, she’s amazing. And then about last night, she is amazing and I think she was, what was the, the other movie that I loved her in now and then Was she in now and then What’s that?

Rosie, uh, O’Donnell. I’m not quite sure if that was Elizabeth Perkins or not. It was where they’re like, and Demi Moore. They’re like four grown women. And then they have ’em as kids as well. Top 10, Elizabeth Perkins. You ready? Yeah. Here. Okay. About, about last night. Best one from the hip. Don’t know that it’s Judd Nelson is in that.

Okay. Uh, big. Mm-hmm. Avalon Never heard of that. F Flintstones. Yeah, she’s Wilma. Yeah, she was Wilma Miracle on 34th Street. This the revised? Yep. 28 days. She’s the sister. Oh, that’s right. Yeah. She’s really good in that. The Ring part two. Oh, didn’t know. Weird. Must love dogs. That’s Diane Lane. And John Cusack.

Mm. I’ll be darn. Uh, and that was where [00:54:00] they on like dating, not dating app, but where they meet each other through the newspaper. Yeah, I haven’t seen it. Um, so yeah, I would say so she’s not in now and then it does not say in the top 10. Okay. Okay. So anyways, I just wanna give some love to Elizabeth Perkin.

She’s really goodness. Yes, she is really good. Um, so just, I wanna say a few things about Billy. Yep. Um, because he, you know, Jared rushed in, like he, first of all, he’s 51 years old now. That’s crazy. I know. Just to like, make you feel old. Old. Um, but he is, he’s in big, but he also was kind of like one of those kid actors and everything.

He was in Overboard. So he was one of their kids, right? Yep. Yep. And then he was in, honey, I Shrunk The Kids. Yep. So he was one of their kids. He was in Pet Cemetery, which I don’t remember that. I don’t know who he is in Pet Cemetery. Yeah. And I’ve seen that, uh, several times. But anyway, he was kinda like, you know, in the eighties, in any generation, it doesn’t matter.

Yeah. But I’m just gonna talk about the eighties. There are certain actors, character actors that you see in every movie. Yeah. John Heard is one of ’em. Yeah. [00:55:00] Right. Yeah. And he always plays a jerk. Oh, he’s, that’s home alone. He is not a jerk. Just a little, um, absent or just, yeah. Home Alone’s been kind of the second wheel.

You know, like mom’s the big person, but he’s in the Pelican Brief. He’s good. Uh, I haven’t seen it. Yeah. Or if I haven’t forgot about it. The Pelican Brief. I know you love it, babe. Julia Roberts. Yeah. Is that with Denzel? I forget. Yeah, it’s with Denzel. But he’s good in that he’s a good person is what I mean.

He’s trying to help. Um, okay. So Hidden Gems. I think I did mine. Okay. Because I think it’s the Zoltar machine. And then I had another one that I said was gems. It’s,

no. So I will say, um, I think these days movies are quicker. Uhhuh, I think this is, this movie is a little on the Slowish end. Uh, some parts in the beginning, like, like the setup to the movie. Basically anything that Tom Hanks isn’t in, I’m just like, eh, [00:56:00] like the, I don’t know. When Tom Hanks shows up, maybe it’s.

I wonder how long it takes for me to show, I think about 10 or 15 minutes. Yeah, because they have them at school or they have them outside of school, remember? ’cause they have to show Cynthia. Yeah. He show. Yeah. Cynthia. And is she really? That’s the cute little girl, right? Cute girl. And, and Cynthia says hi to Josh.

Yes. Remember? So do you think Josh is in the cool crowd? NI think that they are somewhat neutral and that it’s kind of a big deal that she says hi to him sweetie, who’s higher on the social ladder? Uh, Josh Baskin or Dustin from Stranger Things. Josh Baskin. I think that’s a safe thing. Yeah. How do you rank.

The four main characters from Stranger Things from a coolness, or are they all equally nerdy? D and D like, I think they’re all initially equally nerdy. Yeah. D and D like, and then I think in season two, I think Will is the lowest. Yeah, because he’s zombie. Zombie boy. Yeah, that’s right. And everybody else is, they’re not cool, but they’re doing a little better.

And [00:57:00] then by the time we get to season three, there’s not a lot of school. Well, there’s school stuff, but they’re like, there’s, it’s more about just them and their girlfriends. But wait, I’m not done. And then season four. It’s um, Lucas is cool. Yeah, Lucas is on the basketball team and then it goes, so I would say Dustin is the lowest because even though Mike is also in the hell Razor club, he’s in California.

So Dustin is in pretty significant trouble. I just realized you have to stay on your toes when you listen to Zen Pop parenting. Why? ’cause we just quickly go from big to ranking people in Stranger Things. Because I’m the one who started it. And I’m just picturing somebody like gets distracted for a second.

Like why are they talking about Stranger Things? I know, but that’s okay. I know you. This is not a Spoon Feedy podcast. I know. That’s my thing. You guys gotta stay on the ball when you’re listening to Zen Pop Parenting. I grew up Byron Mayo twice and you did not take anything from it. And then I had to explain he’s from an officer and a gentleman.

Yes. Um, wouldn’t it be better if you didn’t even explain that? Just let the people who know [00:58:00] who Byron Mayo is that is such That’s the deepest deep cut. It’s one thing to say Robert Logio was in officer and a gentleman. Yeah. That’s hard enough. Yeah. But then to be like Byron Mayo. Yeah. ’cause the only reason I know Byron Mayo is because of the re watchable.

That’s true. ’cause they talk about him all the time. That’s true. Because he’s quite the character. Um, he likes to, well, anyway, do you have any time to move on? Um, I don’t, I, I think maybe because I had the beginning of the movie, I’ve seen the least. Yeah. That when I re-watched it this weekend, I enjoyed it.

Yeah. Because I’m like, oh, I rarely watch this part. Yeah. So you kind of get the gist for his relationship with his mom, his relationship with his little sister. Um, you know, it just sets a nice tone where if a lot of people jump in when Tom Hanks shows up and you don’t get those beginning things, because the whole thing about him wanting to be big was about Cynthia.

Yeah. It wasn’t just about not riding the ride. Right. It was about that he was told he couldn’t ride the ride in front of Cynthia. Yeah. So, and not only that, but he told Cynthia he had ridden it before. Yeah. [00:59:00] So now, and she lied to it. He lied to her. Yeah. And so he felt dumb. He had an egg out his face. He did.

So that’s what caused him to ask Soltar to make him big. That’s right. So that’s important plot point. Are we gonna roll in the date? Sure. Let’s go.

Why don’t you start this? Okay. I would, let’s talk about, you know, the deeper message about that growing up isn’t the same as maturing, right? Like that, um. Josh gets what every kid thinks they want, which is independence and money and freedom. And really, it can be kind of lonely and it can get really too serious, too fast.

I mean, the relationship with Susan is a positive, but it, it can be confusing. And he has to learn all these like invisible rules and, um, real maturity. You know, this is, I, this is the quote that I wrote down. Real maturity isn’t about your age job or how many keys you have. I don’t know what that means.

It’s about empathy, [01:00:00] curiosity, and play qualities that adults lose when they’re trying to be serious. Yeah. So, um, that’s, that’s important. And so adulthood, this I thought was really, this is the same idea, but I like this language. Adulthood as performance. Mm-hmm. Right? So like we talked about Susan before, like at the beginning, Susan’s first act or the way that she acts, it’s like adulthood performance.

Like, I’m gonna smoke, I’m gonna wear these clothes, I’m gonna have my hair really tight. I’m gonna, you know, think I look like an executive. And really, she’s angry and kind of miserable and jumping around and she doesn’t know who she is. And she becomes, when she starts to become more of herself and, you know, becomes more playful, is when she actually starts enjoying life.

Yeah. Connecting with her friends, all those kind of things. Like that dinner party scene where she brings Josh with her, it has a lot of levels to it, to me. Yeah. Number one, it’s that she would take Josh to meet her friends. Yeah. Um, number two, it’s that she even realizes, I think from the look on her face that their discussion is kind of boring.

Yeah. [01:01:00] And so, but she’s socializing. But she’s kind of bored. And then, you know, Josh is, is so smart. I love the scene. Instead of like them playing that where he looks like a dummy. Mm-hmm. He actually looks super smart. Do you remember that scene? Actual stuff? Yeah. Anybody happened to see that great documentary about Columbus on PBS the other night?

Um, no. Was it good? I have no idea. He had a fourth ship. Yeah. The Santa Christina. That’s right. He only had that on his second trip though. You saw it too? No, but I, I used to study. I used to study. I studied, I don’t remember Columbus having Santa Christina on the second trip. Do you? I didn’t remember that either.

And I also have to nitpick then when he says, I used to study algebra two and he goes to tutor the kid. He the example he gives and he’s like, that’s algebra. I’m like, it is, yes. What, but what does he say? He says, he says, if [01:02:00] Larry Bird scores 10 points in the first quarter, how many is he probably gonna get at the end of the game?

And he is like, that’s easy. It’s 40 points. 40 points. That’s algebra. Why is that? Algebra? Because he’s um, isn’t that multiplication? It’s a part. Multiplication is a part of algebra, but it’s also predicting multiplication is what’s 10 times four, but Right. How do we predict what Larry Bird is going to get at the end of four quarters is algebra?

Because you don’t know what he’s gonna get unless you understand the relationship between the first quarter to the fourth quarter. Okay. I’m gonna go ahead and take the win on this. Okay, go ahead. You’re not the algebra person. No, I am not, but that’s why I’m asking the question. Yeah. One is to four as 10 is to 41 x equals something.

One over four equals 10 over X. All right. And then you do a little cross multiplication stuff. That’s, that’s pretty much the limitation of my algebra. I’m doing my pen. I know. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, um, also, uh, in the same idea, the loss of play, [01:03:00] um, you know, just that when we lose our play is when we start to kind of lose track of what’s most important in life.

And obviously everyone that Josh connects with either enjoys that with him or they fight against it. Like, like Paul, you know, who wants to, like, even when he’s playing, he wants to play serious and Josh doesn’t let him do that. Um, connection over achievement. Um, you know, everything, the, as you already said, the through line of the movie is the relationship with Billy.

Um, and even when he is living his grownup dream, he’s not with the person who knows him best, you know? Um, and so by the end, returning to his childhood isn’t like him going backwards. It’s about him coming back to himself. That’s right. It’s not like he lost himself. He lost himself in the process. So, um, and then.

You know, I thought this movie has a lot of like, uh, the, the quote I wrote down is stay awake inside yourself, no matter your age. And it’s very Calvin and Hobbes, right? Yeah. Um, no matter how [01:04:00] old you are. And again, something in my more Zen parenting moments, um, when I’m giving a presentation, what I always say, I have this hair that’s in my face.

Um, what I always say is, every age you’ve ever been still lives inside of you. Yeah. Okay. So no matter how old you are, there is still a 13-year-old, a 20-year-old, a 30-year-old that lives inside you, who like had needs and defense mechanisms and, and joy and all these things that are still in you. And you have to honor all those people.

And you know, one thing that I know at least now, and I have been given the luxury of having a, um, a career where I’ve built a lot of things over time. But where I am right now in a career is that I am doing the things that I love and a lot of it is play. Yeah. Like talking about the movie big. So if you would’ve told my seventh grade self that I would be doing this in the future, I would’ve been very, very, very happy.

’cause this is all I did. Yeah. And I thought, [01:05:00] this is the piece that Todd always gets on my case about. I thought everybody else loved to do this too. Yeah. I had an assumption that everybody knew every song on the radio, that they knew the words that they followed, the albums that were big, that they watched movies 80,000 times, that they knew quotes and lyrics.

Like I went into the world believing that everybody loved the same things I did. Tweety, this is why we’re happily married because we’re both unicorns. I guess the fact that I happened to memorize movie lines when I was in fifth grade before I ever met you. Right. And so did you. Right. It’s so strange.

That’s why we’re doing a podcast 48 years later. I know. And that you and I, other people don’t know who Byron Mayo is. Most people don’t. And that’s what I mean is like for Todd to walk around and go, we, we, we JGs and I know exactly what he’s doing. Yeah. It’s it’s makes it nice. It makes for a nice conversation.

We’re speaking the same language. Exactly. We’re speaking the same language. And then there’s other [01:06:00] people that also do, but I think my point that I’m trying to make is, I think why this is important, bigger picture is sometimes the things that you love the most, that come easiest, that are your joys. You think everybody else can do them too.

Yeah. And I also say this about. My, again, I’ve had to study being a therapist and doing all that, but there’s a lot of things that I just think about or I, I process or read about that I’ve always been interested in more of like a sociological, like why are people the way they are? Yeah. And I think everybody’s thinking about that, right?

Everybody’s thinking about personal growth, everybody, and then you’re like, no, they’re not. That just comes easier to you. Yeah. And so those things, you know, everybody listening to this, uh, if you’re in college or younger or you’re our age or older, what comes easy to you is not easy to everybody. Mm-hmm.

And so don’t assume that you can’t, it’s not about you have to make a career out of it, but you can use it in some way, [01:07:00] like make, because this is what keeps me young, you know what I mean? Like the well personal growth keeps me young, but movies and music, this is what keeps me happy. Yeah. It’s more than young.

I think they kind of go together. You know, staying young-minded. What’s the quote? If you love what you do, you’ll never work a day in your life. Yeah. I forget that. I’m getting paid for things all the time. Yeah. I walk out, they’re like, here, here’s your check. Like, oh yeah, that’s right. Okay. I get paid for this.

Like, and that’s not even a joke, you know? Yeah. Um, I, it, it’s a nice, and sometimes it’s, there’s still hard parts to it, you know, we always have to, people are like, but do you love this part? I’m like, okay, that’s a hard part. But for the most part, you know, and I think some stuff that comes very challenging to us, there’s joy in some of those things too.

Yeah. So there’s always the black and the white and the gray. Of course, like, to do this, you have to market. Don’t love marketing, but figure out how to do it. You know, we figure it out. So I think that this, that’s the deepest message is stay youthful minded, focus on what you love, [01:08:00] bring joy into your life.

And, um, you know, that’s, that’s what I think it’s about. So would you have, so Josh Baskin was 13. He was 12. He’s 12. Then he was 30 or whatever, then he turned 30, then he had a chance, an opportunity to go back. And he chose to, yes. Did you have gone back? Well, definitely. Okay. So this is two different questions.

To me, if I was in this movie, I would definitely go back ’cause I then had missed all my teenage years and my twenties. Yeah. If I, if this was the movie Cocoon where I had had all those years and then they said, you can go back and be young and then you kind of are gonna forget all this. Yeah. I would not do that.

What happens in Cocoon? So they ask all the old people whether or not they’re going, they have an opportunity to go back. To go back. The base person, how many people go back One. Same as Twilight Zone, the movie. Oh really? Yeah. The one kid goes and everybody else stays old. Yeah. [01:09:00] And I think it’s a guy who’s not partnered.

I don’t know, I can’t remember Cocoon. All I know is we are seven years older than Wilford Brimley was in that movie. That’s. Insane. That’s scary. We’re also older than the Golden Girls. They were 52. I’m 54. That’s insane. I know. Yeah. So that’s, you know, that I think that, so I’ll ask you, what about you? What do you think I’m gonna say you would go back.

Of course. Um, and I think that in some ways, and I get it, I’m not like, literally offended, but it’s sad because you then couldn’t get old with me. Sweetie. Why don’t you come back with me? Um, because I like, I like my daughters. I like my life and we’ll make more babies later on. I laugh. Sorry. Is that weird?

Yes. Oh, sorry. You’re saying to JC Cameron and Skylar come again. Well, see, that’s wishful thinking. You can’t, you can’t start to, sweetie. Isn’t this all wishful thinking? Well, if it’s wishful thinking that I can go back, but see, here’s the thing. I wouldn’t be who I am. Yeah. Everything, like even the toughest years of my life made me who I am.

Yeah. So I [01:10:00] don’t want to go back. You and I could, we would not be friends as kids. Sweetie, we would be the best of friends. I’m what? I don’t mean we would dislike each other, but we would not hang out together. I’m telling you what I was interested in is not what you were interested in. What were you interested in?

Things like movies and, and clothes and ex, you know, big experiences.

This, this, we have to go back Kate.

Sweetie. We have to go back. Kate. Jack wants to go back. Jack wants to go back. So I, and I wanted to do like, I was just Achievement, achievement, achievement, ambition, ambition, ambition. Me too. We were, we were, we were not, were you? I got good grades. Oh, I’m not talking about my grades. I mean, my grades are fine.

I wanna achieve wrestling. Okay. I want to achieve playing basketball. I wanna achieve playing baseball. True. Yeah. [01:11:00] I just, you always talk about, I, all I wanted to do was be with my friends and play p and d Yeah. Wanna achieve at Dungeons and Dragons. Right. You didn’t like going to dances, you didn’t like prom, you didn’t like the music.

I liked, like, I think we would’ve been, I was kind of living it up.

We were def we were good friends in college once we got to college. Hockey. Hockey. Um, are we ready?

Nobody puts K in the calling. Um, there’s certainly cringey moments to this movie, but this is, it’s just an absolute What’s a cringey moment? Just, I, I’m curious. Um, you know, she’s going to bed with really a emotionally 13-year-old. It’s a little cringey. 12. 12. Sorry. You’re right. So in WTF we didn’t talk about the fact that she was 30 and he was 12 and they had sex.

Yeah. So let’s just put that out there. How do you think that night of sex was [01:12:00] for her? Um, for her quick, I think,

I am not quite sure, but he was happy in the morning. He sure was. He was excited to go to work when those elevator doors open. He sure was. Um, so, but yeah, I, I mean, but she cared about him, you know, like, so I’m, it’s not, not everything, you know, I don’t know. I don’t see, this is the thing, you kind of have to leave this movie at a certain level and not dig much deeper.

And I think we have to do that with a lot of movies, of course. So many eighties movies. Yeah. It’s just a lot of, it’s inappropriate. Uh, but it’s also like lovely but inappropriate. Are we ready for music game? Uh, what about best quote? Oh, are you, I have a best quote. Um, I have a few quotes. What’s so fun about that?

I like that quote. What’s so fun about that? Uh, and then. I don’t get it. You already gave, you already did all my notes. I don’t get it. I don’t get it. [01:13:00] La la la. Um, my favorite quote, it’s really, I have a lot of favorites, but this is the one that I wrote down. It’s a glow in the dark compass ring so you don’t get lost.

That’s pretty good. And why it’s cute is he’s above her on the bunk bed. She’s spending the night and he does this game where he puts this thing in his hand and makes her pick a hand and then she gets it wrong and everything. Yeah. But then when she gets the, the right hand, he gives her this glow in the dark compass ring and the whole idea of, so you don’t get lost.

Mm-hmm. Because the whole, remember a lot of this is Susan’s journey back to herself as well. Yeah. So there, it’s got some layers to it, and that’s when she kind of takes a deep breath and is like, oh, this is kind of lovely. Yeah. So anyway. Okay. Song, um, before song. Okay. I feel like, um, there’s a. Do you think Mack will like it?

Oh, no. I, I think you know what we could do, we could do like sports comic books where like, if you’re going to like, uh, steal second or something like that, we could have sports, books, baseball, [01:14:00] football. Really? It would work for almost any sport. There is hockey. Hockey. Uh, okay. And that’s a cute scene too, because she says, how do you feel about me?

Yeah. He can’t, he can’t say it, say anything. And he starts hitting her with a magazine. It’s really good. Okay, so here we go.

So, every now and again, I feel like we should explain this category. It’s what, uh, what non-obvious song is the best way to encapsulate the energy, the vibe, the feel of this movie is that It’s the vibe. The vibe. And it can’t be like, hot in the city. Yeah. ’cause you don’t wanna use a song from the movie, right?

Right. Are you ready? So I’m gonna go first, right? I don’t, I’m not gonna set it up. Okay.

Went, rolled rough ahead in your miles and miles from your nice small bit. You just remember what your old [01:15:00] ca for. You gotta, if you haven’t figured it out, I got a soft spot for Billy in this movie. Todd loves, uh, adolescent friendships. I do. I do. And um, plus there, you know, we all think of, um, Tom Hanks when we hear to story.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. So it’s a like multi-level connection for encapsulating the movie big. I like it. Thank you. I think it’s a good one. Thank you Katie. Um, as you probably not as good as you think yours is. Well, I think this is last week. I really liked mine for seven. What did I use again? I don’t remember, but I remember really liking it.

Sometimes I come in and I’m like, dude, I’ve beat you. Yeah. And sometimes I come in mediocre and sometimes I come in above mediocre. Yeah. I think this is above mediocre. Okay. And this is why, because I, as I always say, every week I try and capture that time period, but a song not from it, but from the time period.

Okay. Okay. So I chose [01:16:00] Alphaville Forever. Young. Alphaville. Uhhuh, forever Young Uhhuh. All right. I’ve never heard of this. Yes. Because the only, when I think of Forever Young, I just think of Rod Stewart. Rod Stewart. No. You know this song too. All right. Season two, the getting in tune, the music.

Alright, I’m gonna give it to you, babe. You think it’s good? I think it’s good. Yeah, it’s kind of a sentimental emotional and super relatable song for what the movie is all about. And people may not know this, but that song is from the eighties. It’s used a lot in tiktoks, and so I think a lot of people think it’s a more recent song.

Yeah. It’s kind of come back around. 40 year anniversary was that song, so you know what I remember doing what? Uh, think speaking of high school, I used to do the [01:17:00] announcements, the morning announcements. Mm-hmm. And on my last day of morning announcements of doing it, I played that song. Yeah. And now that makes me feel really old.

Yeah. Because I remember it like it was yesterday. Kind of like, wow. What a, like a what a deep song. And we’re 18. I wasn’t 18 yet, but I was getting close. Yeah. Um, so sweetie, I’m gonna tip my hat. Say congratulations. Thank you. On winning the music game this week. Thank you. Um, I’m gonna play forever young as our outro.

I don’t have any trivia ’cause we always go over all the trivia within the confines of the podcast. So, sweetie, we, we wee Jacks. Um, next week, what are we gonna do? I mean, I know we talked about it, but. Oh, and we should probably promote other stuff before we Okay. Do you want me to do my really quick, beautiful thing?

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Round two. Change a little bit. [01:19:00] And change a little bit. Pretty pleasant.