[00:00:00]

Hello?

Hello.

Who is this?

You tell me your name. I’ll tell you. Mine.

I don’t think so.

What’s that noise? Popcorn. You’re making popcorn.

Well, I’m getting ready to watch a video.

Really What?

I just some scary movie,

like scary movie. Uhhuh. You never told me your name.

Why do you wanna know my name?

I wanna know who I’m looking at.

Someone playing a deadly game.

It all began with a scream over 9 1 1.

Someone who’s seen one Too many scary movies. He’s taken his love of fear. Hello. Hello Sydney. One step too far. Do you like scary [00:01:00] movies? What’s the point? They’re all the same. Some stupid killers stalking, some big breasted girl who can’t act who’s always running up the stairs and she should be going out the front door.

It’s insulting. Yes,

Todd: that’s what,

Todd: all right, here we go. My name’s Todd Adams. And this is Kathy Adams. Welcome back to another episode of Zen Pop Parenting. This is episode number 836. Why listen to Zen Pop parenting? Because you’ll feel outstanding and always remember our motto, which is the best predictor of a child’s wellbeing. Do I still say that?

Todd: No, I get it.

Cathy: What we say, that is

Todd: all. What is our motto? Our

Cathy: motto is Where Gen X pop culture meets real life reflection. That’s what I

Todd: meant to

Cathy: say. You can still say that People are gonna feel. Amazing. Yeah. Or whatever you used to say. Yeah. And because

Todd: they will. ’cause this is fun. But this is, uh, all about having fun and some laughs while we’re talking about, uh, and also teenagers getting killed.

Todd: No.

Cathy: Also learning about ourselves. Yeah. And why we like this stuff and how it has, um, [00:02:00] made us into who we are. Yes. This is a deeper, deeper dive than your typical discussion about a horror movie.

Todd: That’s right. We’re gonna bring in some depth and some laughs. Sure. That’s what we should, that should be our tag tagline.

Todd: Depth and laughs.

Cathy: Um, well, honestly, that’s kind of what Scream is about. I’m going for gasps. We’re going for Gasps Scream. The movie, the whole intention was depth and humor and horror, and a very meta-analysis of horror movies overall.

Todd: And this is the second of our, uh, freight Freight. October Spooky Fest, spooky October Freight Fest.

Cathy: Let’s just stick with the same tagline, which is Spooky season,

Todd: spooky month.

Cathy: Yes. Spooky season is the season within the

Todd: month.

Cathy: Correct. But because we’re in

Todd: October, that is spooky season. We did a little Halloween action last week. This week it scream Uhhuh next week. It’s gonna be what? Sweetheart?

Cathy: It’s gonna be Twilight because we’re gonna be talking about vampires and werewolves.

Todd: Um, and then we’re gonna bring it home with, [00:03:00] um, a Netflix series that you and I love the most.

Cathy: Yep. And it’s called, uh, the Haunting of Hill House by Mike Flanagan.

Todd: We’re rewatching it, uh, the first three episodes. We’re watching it, we’re watching it for the second time, and we’re three in, and it’s just an amazing series.

Todd: Excellent. So if you’re getting this in whatever, early October and you wanna listen in in late October for haunting a Hill House, go ahead and queue it up. You will not be disappointed. Promise? Um, I just wanna like remind people that Kathy’s got a book called Restoring Our Girls. Uh, so if you have any daughters out there might be a nice, uh, Halloween gift

Cathy: Yeah.

Todd: For yourself.

Cathy: Hey, let’s do this.

Todd: Um, so anyways, where do you wanna start with screen?

Cathy: Um, let’s see. Let’s start with, uh, setting the scene.

Todd: Let’s do that. Why don’t we, um, I’m on the screen board now. I’m.

Todd: All right, so I’m [00:04:00] gonna start this. Okay. And I’m just gonna give a one paragraph reminder of what happened in this movie.

Cathy: Sure. Please. Is it gonna sound ai like the Halloween one did? Probably. Are you gonna use, um, dotting or no? What was the word you used last week? I thought it was

Todd: donning. Dotting.

Todd: Donning. Okay. Uh, and scream High school student, uh, Sidney Prescott, played by Nev Campbell.

Cathy: Mm-hmm.

Todd: Uh, she becomes the target of a mass killer called Ghostface. Kind of a wimpy name. Nobody calls him Ghostface. Yeah. Not till later. They, they could have thought that through a little bit more. Um, he’s just wearing a ghost face.

Todd: Ghostface, uh, begins terrorizing the small town of Woodsboro, California. Exactly. One year after Sidney’s mother was brutal. Brutally mur murdered as ghostface stalks and kills Sidney’s classmates. One by one. The killer placed sadistic games. With victims by calling them and quizzing them about horror movies.

Todd: Sweetie, you do pretty well if somebody was calling you and quizzing you about horror movies. Yeah.

Cathy: I would even get the one that, uh, Casey missed

Todd: at the beginning of time, and we’ll talk about that one. Okay. Sydnee must navigate her trauma, [00:05:00] distrust those around her, including her boyfriend, Billy and her friends, and ultimately confront the killer’s true identity.

Todd: The film builds to a climactic house party. It’s the last scene’s like 42 minutes or something like that.

Cathy: Yeah, they, it’s, it’s been called Scene one 18. Yes. Because it’s the longest scene that they’ve ever filmed.

Todd: So eventually Ghost faced, his identity is revealed to be not one, but two killers working together.

Todd: That’s the, that’s the spin, sweetie. Right. That’s the surprise. Billy and Stew. And they orchestrated the murders as revenge against Sidney’s mom for an affair that destroyed Billy’s family. Right. While Indu indulging their OB section, we

Cathy: simply gave away the whole movie.

Todd: I know. This is not a, um, everybody should watch this movie.

Todd: This is, you’ve seen this movie. Okay. Yeah. So if you haven’t seen Scream since 1997,

Cathy: sorry.

Todd: Sorry. We just spoiled it for you. Okay. So that’s kinda the deal. So what do you got?

Cathy: Um, just set

Todd: the scene.

Cathy: Okay. So just a few. Set the scene. It’s [00:06:00] 1996. Our, uh, president was good old Bill Clinton. Um, the internet was just getting started.

Cathy: And the movies that had been out were clueless. The TV show that was big was, uh, I think Dawson’s Creek had started around then. I don’t ever want our lives to be over, or it’s gonna start at some point because Kevin Williamson, who wrote this movie, scream, also wrote No kidding. Dawson’s Creek. I didn’t know that.

Cathy: Yeah. So the thing is about, uh, Kevin Williamson is that he was very, he was thought of, I’m not saying, I’m not comparing him to Aaron Sorkin in his, in that he’s as great a writer, but he had a lot of notoriety. I think he wrote Buffy the Vampire Slayer too. He had a way of writing. Teenagers is being really smart.

Cathy: Mm-hmm. Basically, if you ever watch Dawson’s creep or you just watch screams. Teenagers don’t really talk that way. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. It was kind of this, um, heightened version of what a teenager would say, but it’s good performance. Like it’s [00:07:00] performative, like it’s fun to watch and listen to because it’s fast-paced and it’s interesting and it’s got all these layers to it.

Cathy: So that’s just what he was known for. But what was also going on at the time was that the horror movie genre had kind of hit, uh, a brick wall because they had basically gone through, they, at this point, they were at Ja Halloween six, and Jason goes to hell. So once we’re there, people were kinda like, done.

Cathy: They, yeah. I don’t remember. Jason goes to hell. Do you remember that?

Todd: I remember the title. I certainly didn’t watch the movie.

Cathy: I certainly did not. And Halloween six, we last week listened to our whole thing about Halloween. We talked about all the different versions of Halloween. And so, you know, we were like, you know, everything was stale.

Cathy: Let’s just say it that way. So, um, this was kind of a reboot. This was a revival of scary movies. And what the whole point was is let’s make fun of old scary movies. Um, and so, you know, Todd, I’d been saying to you while we were watching it, and I, I kept saying, this is a millennial movie based on Gen X [00:08:00] movies and I’m completely a hundred percent wrong.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: This is a Gen X movie. Oh, really? Yes. 1996.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: Everybody in it is our age. Yeah. So like I kinda looked up all the actors and actresses and you guys. Already know, you know, nev Campbell and Skee Ulrich. And, um, I, I feel like people, like I’ve ne Who’s Skeet? Ulrich? He, oh, is it Ulrich? Or Ulrich? I don’t know.

Cathy: I don’t remember. But, um, Rose McGowan, David Ake, Jamie Kennedy, drew Barrymore, um, Matthew Lillard, uh, Courtney Cox. They’re all Rh, they’re born in 73. 71. Okay. 70. 70, whatever. So my point is, is this is a Gen X movie, but the, it’s a Gen X movie and these people are, a lot of the characters are in high school.

Cathy: They’re, or they’re older. Mm-hmm. Um, and so they are like the adult version of us. Yeah. So, you know where Halloween was, the movie we watched when we were kids. This is kind of the play on, you know? Yeah. What we’re watching now. Yeah. It’s when we’re in our mid twenties. I think the reason I thought it was a millennial movie, why I kept saying that is it’s the millennial.

Cathy: I’m gonna get again, really layered and [00:09:00] meta here. It’s the millennials version of Halloween. They, the first movie that millennials watched that was scary was scream.

Todd: Stay on target. Does that

Cathy: make sense? Uh, yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. There’s some, like where we got, there’s some crossover Where j where Halloween is a Boomer movie.

Cathy: Yeah. It was made in the sixties. Gen X watched it as kids. Did you say Halloween was made in the sixties, wasn’t it? 19? Oh no, it was made in the seventies. Early seventies. I’m sorry,

Todd: late 77.

Cathy: Oh, he was?

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: Okay. Still a Boomer movie. Were like six or

Todd: seven years old.

Cathy: Yes. But John Carpenter is like a boomer.

Cathy: Yeah. Do know what I mean? All the people in that movie are boom. He’s grown up when he was making Correct. So we watched that movie. As kids and then now these, you know, these millennials watched Scream as Kids. Yeah. I’m just trying to make the point of why it felt millennial. Yeah. And also, I’m just gonna go deep for a second.

Cathy: About this year of 1996, I remember going to the theater and seeing, ’cause we all grew up with John Hughes movies, right? So we had this incredible, [00:10:00] um, you know, adolescence of and teenage life of growing up with all these John Hughes movies. And then they kind of came to a, a halt, it was like. Kind of over.

Clip: Mm-hmm.

Cathy: But we were becoming young adults, so we didn’t really care. And then I remember going to the theater, um, at this point I was working, you know, I was living in Chicago and working and seeing how Clueless had come out and that I then felt old.

Todd: Yeah. So let me see if I can like, uh, help you encapsulate what you just said.

Todd: What I’m said to say. Um, we watched this movie as adults. Correct. And we watch Halloween as children,

Cathy: correct? Yes. And we were, so, we were in our, you know, mid twenties. Yeah. Um, and so, you know, it was just, it, it was so just like clueless. Were were the high school movies coming back. Scream was rebooting a, a horror kind of genre.

Cathy: Yeah. There you go. Um, and so another, a few other things, uh, and I don’t know if you put this and set the scene, but it, do you remember how much it cost to make this movie? I do not know. Okay. [00:11:00] Well, it costs, oh, I can’t find it. I thought I put it in this area. Oh, $15 million budget.

Todd: Wow. Of all those fancy actors, that’s really cheap.

Cathy: And it made 170 million.

Todd: Wow.

Cathy: Yeah,

Todd: I feel like that’s what Halloween made. 170 million.

Cathy: Yeah. That makes me wonder about my, what I’m wrote here, your research. Yeah. I’m, it says the film grossed over 170 million worldwide on a $15 million budget.

Todd: Um, well, we could, we can suss that out if I, I’ll look it up and

Cathy: Yeah.

Cathy: You see if that’s true. I will. Um, and so just a few other things. Let’s see if there’s anything that is interesting. Um, no, I think that’s the gist for, set the scene at least. Okay. Here we go. Okay.

Clip: I remember when.

Todd: Um, I don’t have much for, remember when it’s more of just commentary on how I watch horror movies. Okay. Let’s hear it. And I’m not proud of this. [00:12:00] I know. Are you gonna

Cathy: do the I can watch everything Doesn’t Bother Me thing. Yes.

Todd: And it’s because, uh, for the most part, um, not some movies get me, but for the most part I’m able to compartmentalize and detach even the whole, the best part about a movie is you lose yourself in the movie you think you’re experiencing it first person.

Todd: Yes. Like you’re feeling afraid because the character on the screen is afraid. Right. My biggest problem is that I always think of the boom mic holder.

Cathy: Yes.

Todd: There’s a person holding a boom mic over the person who is putting a pretend knife into an actor or an actress.

Cathy: Yes. And.

Todd: It’s kind of a bummer and I wish I could unlearn that.

Todd: Mm-hmm. I wish I could unknow that and lose myself, but I just can’t. Uh, so it’s a little frustrating. Whereas my sweetie may as well be in the room because she puts her hand up between her eyeballs and the television screen.

Cathy: [00:13:00] Yes, yes. I do not watch kills.

Todd: No. And it’s because it scares you or disturbs you.

Cathy: It it disturbs me. I mean, there are definitely, I get, yes, I get scared too, but I don’t need to see that. I like anticipation. I like story, I like creepiness. Um, but kills, you know, there’s something I’ve seen more than just scream one. I’ve

Todd: seen, seen two. Well, let’s be clear. It’s not just about kills, it’s any scary part.

Todd: ’cause we’re watching haunting on a hill house and if there’s nobody’s getting killed. True. So it’s more about when something is scary, it’s scarce. Yeah. Right. Or just something that’s bothersome.

Cathy: It’s just bothersome. Yeah. I just don’t, I don’t wanna see it. Um, I, and sometimes I can listen to it and sometimes I have to close my ears.

Cathy: ’cause sometimes the worst thing is the listening.

Todd: Yes.

Cathy: You know? And, and that’s what I was gonna say about Scream is, is I’ve seen, I don’t know if I’ve seen all of them. I know I’ve seen Scream One, scream Two, and Scream Six. I don’t remember what happened in between there. Okay. And I saw Scream [00:14:00] Six in the theater.

Cathy: I don’t know why we all went one time just for the hell of it. It was terrible. It was terrible. But what I remember while watching Scream Six is the stabbing was awful. Oh yeah. It was awful. I was like, wow. What used to be like, oh, stab, stab, stab became, and it’s funny because I think the movie, the Meta movie Inside Scream is called Stab.

Cathy: Um, but what. It just is too real. I’m like, no, thank you.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: So I had to like close my ear, my ears too. So I think some would say then why do you go?

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: Um, that’s a great question. And I think that it’s what I just said. I like anticipation. I like the idea of being scared. I mean, why do we go on rollercoasters?

Cathy: You know, to be, to feel alive. To feel alive. And guess who closes her eyes on rollercoasters. You do. Because I can only take in so much. So it’s like these are our own sensitivities. And I think historically, uh, Todd would make fun of me or say, why are you here? Why are you watching this? And I think now he’s got a better [00:15:00] understanding of that.

Cathy: Just let me be, let me let, as my, uh, as my daughter would say, let me cook. Yeah, let’s just, let Cook,

Todd: let

Cathy: me

Todd: live. Are you ready for random fact? Let’s go.

Clip: You know? Do you know the human Headways eight pound?

Todd: Um, before we get to random facts, and I don’t have a sound effect for it, but I, I wanna play a little two trues of one lie, because if Sure we do.

Todd: If we play it at the end,

Cathy: then I’ve already gone

Todd: through it. I’ve already gone through it, Uhhuh. So two of these things are gonna be true and one’s gonna be a lie. Okay? Number one, the original title of Scream was Scary movie. Yes, this is true. The film’s Ghost Mask was discovered in a random house during location scouting.

Todd: True. Um, and lastly, the Motion Picture Association of America gave the film an NC 17 rating on its first submission. I actually think all three of those are true. The last one is not true. It was threatened, but never Oh, threatened. Officially rated. Okay. Number two. Do you like scary movies as the first line in the film?

Cathy: Uh, [00:16:00] the first line, yep. The first line is, hello?

Todd: Drew Barrymore says hello on the phone. We’ll see about that. Okay. The second thing is Casey Becker’s death scene was shot in the very first days of filming. Okay. And lastly, Ghostface phone voice was never revealed to the cast during filming. Which of the three is a lie?

Todd: I, the,

Cathy: I think the Casey thing wasn’t that at the end,

Todd: um, you should have trusted your first gut, which was, do you like scary movies is not the first line. Yeah. She says hello. It’s, hello.

Cathy: So can I make a comment about that? Sure. Go ahead. That ’cause we are kind of in, remember when right now? Yeah, we’re in.

Cathy: Remember when? No, we’re in random fact. Yeah, but, uh, let me go back to remember when you do, you can play it or you don’t have to. Is that, I remember when, I remember when people used to answer phones like, you and I watch this movie and we’re like, yeah, people are answering phones. That was not a, that people don’t answer phones anymore.

Cathy: People don’t say hello.

Todd: Yeah. Generally speaking, [00:17:00] you’re correct. I answer phones.

Cathy: You kind of do, but you know who’s calling. So do you say hello? Do you, do you, is that what you say? Or do you say this is Todd?

Todd: Uh, I think it depends on who is calling. If it’s a customer, uh, I’ll say, this is Todd. Okay. If it’s you, I’ll say hi, sweetie.

Todd: Right. But nobody says anymore just Hello? Hello. Interesting. Yeah.

Cathy: Yeah,

Todd: yeah. You’re probably

Cathy: right. I mean, unless you’re answering cold calls, but my phone now says, um, spam risk. Yeah. It gives me a number and like some random credit card, it’ll give me a town it’s coming from. So I know not to answer it.

Todd: I do the thing where it’s silence.

Todd: Unknown callers. Sure. Many of the times. Yeah. Okay, let’s head on back to random facts. Okay. Random fact. I have a bunch.

Cathy: Okay.

Todd: Uh, do you wanna do any more? Two STRs, two trues, and one liar? No.

Cathy: Uh, no. I’ve got a bunch of random facts, but I’ll let you go first.

Todd: Um, Kevin Williamson, he was the writer, right? He wrote the script in three days after being inspired by documentary about [00:18:00] serial killer Danny Row.

Todd: Mm-hmm. And noticing an open window in the house. He was sitting, I don’t know who Danny Rolling is, do you?

Cathy: I think he was called, he had a name, the son, the blah, blah, blah killer or something like. There was a, it was some true story that he had read about. Um, but again, Kevin Williamson, we already talked about him a little bit,

Todd: um, was a ghost face.

Todd: It was a 1991 novelty design called the Peanut Eye Ghost by Fun, fun world.

Cathy: Do you find him to be scary? Yeah, I think it’s a

Todd: good mask.

Cathy: Isn’t he supposed to be a depiction of the scream? The, the, um, you know that the one where the guy’s holding his face and screaming? Oh,

Todd: that, that painting that we, yeah. Oh, maybe.

Todd: I don’t know. That’s what I always thought. Yeah, it could be. Uh, it became the highest grossing slasher film ever until Halloween 2018 showed up. Wow. Uh, color ID usage increased 300% after the film’s release. Do you think? Um, he spent, uh, he spent three consecutive days writing the entire script while listening [00:19:00] to the Halloween score on repeat.

Todd: So this, this, um, writer guy, it was influenced by Halloween. And then finally the final three who were up for the Nev Campbell role was Nev Brittany Murphy and Alicia Witt.

Cathy: Oh.

Todd: So what, I don’t know who Alicia Witt is.

Cathy: Um, well, also Drew Barrymore was supposed to be

Todd: Yeah, I heard she was supposed to be, and then

Cathy: Nev

Todd: um, she just decided she wanted to be in a little bit, so she decided to be the first.

Cathy: She couldn’t do it. She couldn’t do the whole, she couldn’t be there for the whole filming. Yeah. So they used her, but she had already been connected to it. Yeah. So the reason that Wes Craven, who is the director, decided to do the movie was ’cause Drew Barrymore connected to it. So she just ended up playing the opening role.

Cathy: Now, if you remember when you first saw the poster, the person on the poster is Drew Barrymore,

Todd: which is really smart.

Cathy: The fact that she dies Yeah. In the opening scene is completely different than anything we’ve ever seen.

Todd: Right. I love that. Yeah. ’cause as a viewer, you’d be like, oh, she’s [00:20:00] dead. Anybody could die here.

Cathy: And you know, that opening scene is rough. I mean, like, I, it it is, it’s well done. It’s well laid out. Like it’s, it, what’s rough about it is it’s very scary. Mm-hmm. And it bothers me for many reasons. One of them being her parents come home, like, scary movies.

Clip: Uhhuh, what’s your favorite scary movie?

Cathy: Uh, I don’t know.

Clip: You have to have a favorite.

Cathy: Oh, you know what she says?

Todd: Uh, Friday. Friday 13th, she

Cathy: says Halloween. Oh, she is. And then she pulls out a butcher knife on the cat. You know, she’s like playing with a butcher knife, read it. But the, um, her parents come home while she’s running away from Ghostface.

Todd: It’s a tough way to come home.

Cathy: And they, she is literally getting killed while they’re trying to find her.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: So it’s very bothersome. It’s like when I watched it in my twenties. It was one thing. Yeah. And then watching it as a parent, it just feels like another thing. For sure. It’s like really creepy and then she gets strung up. It’s such a horror movie.

Cathy: Like honestly, you guys like this is, we [00:21:00] talked last week about Halloween and it was terrifying because you didn’t see anything. Yeah. Scream is a more of a gore fest. Oh yeah. You know, and they

Todd: actually to remove a lot of the gore, they wanted more. Yes. And they had to remove it because they wanted the rated R.

Cathy: Yeah. They didn’t wanna have that NC 17. Um, so just a few things I wanted to tell you. All of the other horror movies that are referenced in Scream. Okay. Okay. So in Halloween they, uh, so in the movie screen, the movie Halloween is referenced several times. Um. Obviously that scene that you just talked about where she says it’s her favorite movie, that’s also one of the questions that the guy on the phone asks.

Cathy: Mm-hmm. Like, what’s the name of the killer in Halloween? And it’s Michael Myers. Um, also Randy

Todd: actually, it’s also the shape, but, uh, or the Shape, if you would’ve listened to last week’s podcast, um, Michael Myers was not really the name of this dude. They called it The Shape,

Cathy: well, it was his name, but they were gonna refer to him to, to it as

Todd: the Shape, which really good.

Todd: ’cause he’s

Cathy: Judith Meyer’s, uh, brother. So he is Michael Meyer. Yes. Right. Um, but he, but yes, he was the shape [00:22:00] in the script.

Clip: Yes.

Cathy: How’s that? Um, so then Randy, one of the people who survives in this movie, who makes it to Scream too, he has a point where he lays out the rules. Slasher movies. And a lot of them are from Halloween, but Halloween is also on the tv.

Cathy: Mm-hmm. So, again, layers and layers and layers. Um, there

Clip: are certain rules that one must abide by in order to successfully survive a horror movie.

Cathy: Don’t do ’em yet. ’cause we’re gonna do ’em later. I won’t. Randy’s rules are coming. Um, Friday the 13th is mentioned during the killer call at the beginning he asks the trivia question, are you saving this for another part?

Cathy: Uh, no, go ahead. He says, who was the killer? Like, so first of all, um, Casey has answered the first question and she’s being threatened with her boyfriend being killed. Yeah. Outside. It’s a horrific scene.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: And she gets the first answer Right, which is Michael Myers.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: The next question is, who is the killer in Friday, the 13th and everybody, do you have a little, do you have a little like jeopardy?

Todd: Uh, yeah, I got it. Oh, [00:23:00] do I have a jeopardy here? Hold on. Oh,

Cathy: you have it because we have a category.

Todd: Okay.

Todd: It’s enough. Jeopardy.

Cathy: So. That’s the question you, you know, who is the killer on Friday, the 13th, and I think a lot of you would probably say Jason, and it’s not Jason. That’s right. It is Jason’s mother, Mrs. Vorhees. So she gets that one wrong. Um, which is then why her, it’s

Todd: too bad for her boyfriend is killed.

Todd: She should have paid closer attention.

Cathy: I guess I, there were so many of them, she probably lost track. Um, and we all know from last week, that Friday 13th that I’m like, whatever. Mm-hmm. I, I’m not a fan. Okay. The, another movie that’s referenced is A Nightmare on Elm Street. First of all, west Craven is the director of that, and he’s the director of this movie.

Cathy: And he, there is a scene where he is, um, he’s actually a character in the movie. And the principal who’s played by Henry Winkler, um, says hello to him. He says, Hey, Fred. And Fred is the janitor dressed in Freddy Kruger clothes. And it’s also West Craven. Yes. So a lot [00:24:00] of layers, again, um, they reference prom night.

Cathy: It’s in the, uh, it’s in one of the quiz questions that the Killer’s doing. They mentioned the town that dreaded Sundown, which was ni from 1976 as an example of a true story. That’s a horror movie they referenced. Carrie, um, at the very end, I, Billy says he, he, because he’s pretending that he’s been. That he was killed.

Cathy: So he has blood all over him and he licks it and he says something like corn syrup. Corn syrup. Yeah. Just like what they used in carry. Yeah. And then they reference psycho, um. And I don’t know where they referenced Psycho. I wrote that down. Why did, when? I must have, but let me go back. Billy Loomis, I think

Todd: the name of, uh, the Lady who Gets Killed in Psycho is also a name in this movie, but is it?

Todd: Sure.

Cathy: Yeah. There’s, I wrote it down so I don’t know what it was, but Billy Loomis, who ends up being one of the Killers, his name comes from Dr. Loomis. Yep. From Halloween. Um, and then there is a point when [00:25:00] Tatum makes a joke about that her love life is like The Exorcist. Yeah. Though they reference The Exorcist.

Cathy: Um, they obviously reference when a Stranger calls because that’s the opening scene, which drew Barry Moore. Um, they reference Terror Train, hell Raiser and Candyman all when they’re in the, um, you know, the movie store, the video store. Which is that’s a funny throwback too.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: Because video stores where Randy works like that used to be a place we would see each other and hang out and my friends would work at the video store.

Cathy: Um. Then I think we got it. A Billy Loomis. I already said that. Henry Winkler’s in it. Obviously that’s a throwback to Gen X culture. Sidney Prescott is a great final girl name and archetype. Yep. Just what she’s like. Um, and the, the murders that you were talking about in Florida, the Gainesville Ripper murder.

Todd: Okay. I didn’t know.

Cathy: Um, and I think that is it. Oh, and a few other things. Nev Campbell almost passed on doing this movie because she didn’t wanna be typecast in horror movies. She had been in a movie called The [00:26:00] Craft, about four girls who were into witchcraft. Hmm. Do do you remember that movie? Negative?

Cathy: Um, this is kinda ing, Matthew Lillard wasn’t even supposed to audition for this, but he went to the audition with his girlfriend and then he landed the role of Stew. Um, Courtney Cox really wanted this role ’cause she didn’t wanna get typecast as Monica. Um, good luck with that. Yeah. Sorry, you’re forever.

Cathy: Monica Courtney Cox. Um, even though we know what happened. On the movie set is David Arquette is in the movie. Yes, he is. And that’s Courtney Cox met David Arquette. She met her husband while doing Scream. And they got married. That’s right. And they had a little, they had a little girl. She’s now like the, she’s 22 now.

Todd: Um, I think it’s awesome that you know how old Courtney Car, Courtney t’s daughter is. Do

Cathy: you wanna know why? I know why? I can give you lots of information here. After jc, was they on Target? No, this is great. It’s a great story. After JC was born, she was six months old. Todd’s friend Brian got us tickets to [00:27:00] see friends and it was the last season of friends.

Cathy: Yeah. We got to see Phoebe’s wedding live in la.

Todd: Paul Red was in that one.

Cathy: Correct. Paul Rudd was in that one. There was all, it was a great episode. Courtney Cox was pregnant at the time and she had a lot of morning sickness and kept having to leave to like take a break. So I know that Jace’s age and their daughter Coco’s age is the same.

Cathy: What do you think about that?

Cathy: Do you remember who was the sweetest, who came out and talked to the audience so many times? Matthew Perry. Matthew Perry.

Todd: Everybody else was like, had their game face on. Totally. I’m like, come on, give us a little bit. And they, nobody was like interacting with the audience other than Matthew Perry. Except

Cathy: for Matthew Perry.

Cathy: He came out a few times and we had secret information because this is deep. Jennifer Aniston had bangs and nobody in the world knew yet that she had bang. And that’s what I’m talking about. That’s why we were

Todd: there.

Cathy: It’s

Todd: called a

Cathy: scoop. That is called Scoop. So, um, let’s see if [00:28:00] there’s anything else. I think that’s pretty good, Todd.

Cathy: Um, let’s go. WTF

Todd: That escalated quickly. I mean, that really got outta hand fast. It jumped up a notch. It did, didn’t it? All right. The WTF, there’s, I’m gonna go in a lot of different directions here. And this is more about horror movies in general. Okay. Let’s see. After the Bad Guy, I’ll say Bad guy. ’cause there may be a few movies where it’s a bad woman, but a bad guy kills.

Todd: What

Cathy: movies? Is there a bad A killer? Who’s a woman?

Todd: Uh, I don’t know, but there’s gotta be some, I’ll, I’ll come up with some. Um, the, uh, whenever they kill somebody, they have this like, extravagant plan to like hoist them on a tree. Like it’s not easy to do. No. These are crazy things. And this guy did it in like two seconds.

Todd: Yeah. With Casey. Yeah. It’s just not an easy thing to do. So I say WTF on that.

Cathy: Oh by the way, sorry. Jason Borhes mom was a woman. There you go sweetie. There you go. There’s

Todd: [00:29:00] probably gonna be more. I’ll, I’ll look it up. Um, the whole motive is that, uh, Sidney Prescott’s mom slept with Billy’s dad or Sue’s dad.

Todd: Billy’s dad. Billy’s dad, and. Eh, kind of a weak little motive. I know they had to have something. Mm-hmm. But I just don’t, I think that’s a little, an overcorrection. Let’s just say that.

Cathy: Well, let’s also understand that the other part is that they were psychopaths.

Todd: Yes.

Cathy: He and Stew. Because do you remember when she says, stew, why did you do this?

Cathy: And he said, peer pressure.

Todd: I got it right here. It’s one of my favorite lines in the, uh, whole thing.

Clip: Hello? Oh, stew, stew. Stew. What’s your motive? Billy’s got one. The police are on their way. What are you gonna tell them? Peer pressure. I’m far too sensitive. No. Wreck you off.

Todd: So, so this is like an intense scene. And Stu is interesting ’cause [00:30:00] I do feel like Stu is in a different movie.

Cathy: He definitely is. He’s just doing his own thing.

Todd: He’s like doing his own thing. Everybody else is acting like normal people might act in this crazy situation and Stu is like maniacal in a way that’s off-putting. And I think he’s hilarious. So I’m like, he’s kind of the comic. Yeah. I’m like cutting him and blessing him at the same time because it is quite hilarious.

Todd: Uh, but yeah, like peer pressure is a really funny line. I’m not quite sure that that’s,

Cathy: he says peer pressure on far too sensitive, far too.

Todd: And we didn’t get a chance to hear what he had to say. ’cause Billy takes it out of his hands. I know. Um,

Cathy: um, can we say something about that though, because you, you point that out.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: The first scene that they ever. Like taped that they, that was like, what’s the word I’m looking for? That they started recording the first scene that they did. Yeah. I have all this like old VHS language. Yeah. Shooting. Shooting. Thank you. The first scene that they shot was where they’re sitting by the fountain.

Cathy: Yeah. All of them. And they’re talking about what happened the night before. [00:31:00] So it is Billy, it’s like all the couples, right. Including Randy. Um, and in that scene, Randy’s being kind of funny, Stew’s being kind of funny. Um, Tatum’s being kind of funny and skeet, or you know, the guy who plays Billy is kind of like giving them eyes, like, calm down.

Cathy: Mm-hmm. He at that point, again, according to lore, he didn’t understand that this movie was supposed to be campy and funny. Yeah. And he thought they were not doing a good job. Yeah. And he was kind of like, tone it down. And Wes Craven had to say to him later, no, this movie is funny.

Todd: Yeah. I think he had to have a pre movie making meeting Yeah.

Todd: To get everybody on the same page. I’m not, I’m not quite buying that story, but if it’s true, uh, you know, let’s, let’s get a game plan going here.

Cathy: Well, let’s say this. If you have seen, and again, that’s lore, like, I don’t know if that’s true, but if you have seen Scream before or now, sorry. Because Todd told you the whole story, you know who did it.

Cathy: It is very easy to watch this movie again and you know exactly who did it. Sure. They make it very [00:32:00] clear. Yeah. Like the things that they say, even their boots Yeah. That they’re wearing. You know who it is. Yeah. Um, but the first time you watch it, you don’t know.

Todd: Well, the big, uh, surprise is it’s not one, it’s two.

Cathy: Correct. Kind of. That’s the big,

Todd: that’s the big surprise. No, I have four more that. More and more WTF moments, let’s hear it. Uh, the whole idea of a boyfriend sneaking into his girlfriend’s bedroom and the girlfriend always saying, shh, my dad’s right outside, or whatever.

Cathy: Mm-hmm.

Todd: I don’t know what kind of doors are usually in place, but you can hear two people conversing and yet they, the dad never kind of busts the boyfriend coming in.

Todd: And it’s obvious that it would be easy to hear that there’s a second set of voices coming in from that room.

Cathy: Well, I would say that it is an eighties trope.

Todd: Yes,

Cathy: it is. Uh, they use it in stranger Things too. Steve goes into Nancy’s bedroom window. Yeah. Remember. Um, and I’m trying to think of other movies where it happens.

Cathy: Um, 80 other eighties [00:33:00] movies, but I know that that is just what we did. Yeah. And our parents were a little more checked out.

Clip: Yeah. They were. So,

Cathy: and I used to go out my window.

Todd: Yes.

Cathy: I only did it a few times ’cause it really, I didn’t really

Todd: need

Cathy: to. But in

Todd: but in scream, the dad was right there. ’cause he showed up.

Cathy: He was, and Billy was on the other side of the bed.

Todd: Yeah,

Cathy: but he probably went to his bedroom after that. Possibly. Possibly. I mean, I we’re nitpicking And he

Todd: probably shares a wall with his daughter too. Maybe. If,

Cathy: if he does, that’s where it gets a little girl. Oh, you know what? It, it also happens in twilight, which we’re doing next weekend.

Cathy: There you go. Or next weekend, next week. Um, Edward goes into Bella’s window, but he’s a vampire, so that’s easier.

Todd: Um, in the world of DNA 2025 DNA, they’d be able to figure out who did this in two seconds. Correct? Yeah, it’d be a quick movie. Uh, the whole garage door power thing.

Cathy: Yeah. It’s rough. I didn’t watch that scene ever.

Todd: Yeah. It doesn’t bother me at all because it is so unrealistic if you put a person through a square in a garage door and you, [00:34:00] um. Tell the garage door to go all the way up. It’s not going to harm anybody. It’s going to retract and go right back down.

Cathy: I was thinking about that because like garage doors, now I swear like you, you just kind of swipe your leg.

Cathy: I accidentally, and it goes back down. Those are the

Todd: sensors. Those are the sensors. So. But that thing does not have the motor power to, to drag her up there. Well, maybe it’ll drag her up there, but it’s certainly not going, I mean, did she die? How did she die in that scene? I do not

Cathy: watch that scene.

Todd: I do not know.

Todd: Oh. Because if it’s like, she kind of came in contact with the top of the garage, it wouldn’t, there’s just not enough power.

Cathy: If I, ’cause I’m listening to it. There’s an electrical thing that happens. I feel like she gets electrocuted.

Todd: Yeah. I’m not buying it. I’m not buying it. And then the last thing, didn’t somebody’s head get submerged into a TV at the very end?

Todd: Yeah. Stews stew. Yeah. It just, that’s super eighties as well. Eighties, yeah. So anyways, that’s what I got for WTF.

Cathy: I know. And just the fact that, I mean, again, that [00:35:00] teenagers TV’s gonna kill them.

Clip: Mm-hmm.

Cathy: You know what I mean? Yeah. It’s very, it’s very of the time. Um, the, I think it’s kind of interesting that Billy’s phone.

Cathy: Drops out of his pocket, which is why they think maybe he did it. Yeah. And, but that was really weird that he had a phone where now everybody has a phone.

Todd: Yeah. You know, they just didn’t exist like that. Are you, I’m sorry. Are you ready for some women killers? Okay. Let’s hear it. Uh, Carrie.

Cathy: Yeah, I guess, but they were mean to her.

Todd: Of course they were, but she’s still kind of does some bad stuff. Okay. Uh, fatal attraction. Sure.

Cathy: Wait, she just killed a rabbit.

Todd: Um, but she was gonna kill the wife and the husband, so Yeah. I guess she didn’t kill, they killed her. Yeah. But she was the bad guy. Okay. Uh, Friday 13th.

Cathy: Okay.

Todd: Uh, bunch of screams.

Todd: Scream two. Billy’s mom is one of the ghost case killers. Mm-hmm. [00:36:00] Scream four. Jill Roberts, Sidney’s cousin becomes Ghostface.

Cathy: Sidney’s cousin, second cousin by marriage. Yeah, it becomes a little, uh,

Todd: misery. One of the best. Yes. Okay. Best scary people. Uh, the others it says,

Cathy: yeah, let’s not talk about that because that’s got a surprise ending.

Todd: Um, and that’s all I got. So anyways, go.

Cathy: Yeah. That’s not a lot. No, it’s not a lot at all compared to other things.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: Um, but yes. Thank you for sharing that. Um, let’s see if there’s anything else. Um, do you wanna do the party rules now under random facts?

Todd: Um, I don’t have it queued up just yet. Gimme a second.

Todd: Okay. Talk about something else.

Cathy: I will. I’ll just kind of go to what the rules, like what he means by the rules in the movie. Um, he goes through what the, if you are gonna survive a horror movie mm-hmm. The rules that you have to follow. And again, by this point, again, because it’s 1996, we now have the language around being a [00:37:00] final girl and how you can survive.

Cathy: You know, like why there’s always one person who survives. And so Randy lays out. The rules. And in this movie scream, he lays out three rules. As the other scream movies come up, there’s more rules. Oh, really? Mm-hmm. So I’ll tell you those. If you wanna let Randy say his rule. All right,

Todd: here we go.

Cathy: Okay.

Clip: I think Virgins can do that.

Clip: Don’t you know the rules? Let rules you don’t.

Clip: Jesus Christ. You don’t know the rules. Have an aneurysm. Why don’t you? There are certain rules that one must abide by in order to successfully survive a horror movie. For instance, number one, you can never have sex. No big mo, dead man and pop sex, death. Okay? Number two, you can never drink or do drugs. No, just sin back there.[00:38:00]

Clip: Sin. It’s an extension of number one and number three. Never ever, ever, under any circumstances say, I’ll be right back. ’cause you won’t be back. I’m getting another beer. You want one? Yeah, sure. I’ll be right back.

Cathy: All right. So only three rules. So which, so that’s interesting when he’s laying those out, ’cause he’s Right.

Cathy: That’s definitely follows, you know, the genre of horror. Um, but in scream, the final girl who is Sydnee does have sex.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: And also when Stu says, I’ll be right back, he’s actually going to kill his girlfriend.

Todd: Yes.

Cathy: Which doesn’t make sense why he kills his girlfriend. Uh, you know, not that he’s a psychopath.

Todd: Yeah. They’re just trying to like, knock as many people out as they can. Yeah.

Cathy: They, they really are. So here’s some of the other ones that come up in the other screen. Ob hear this. Don’t go outside to check a strange noise.

Todd: Uh, it’s a good rule. I think that’s a good rule in general.

Cathy: I think that’s one of the scenes that I’m like, what?

Cathy: Okay. The, there’s a [00:39:00] scene and scream where, uh, uh, what’s her name? Sidney’s Dad goes away for the weekend and he’s like, I’ll be back. I’ll be at the Hilton by the airport, blah, blah, blah. She then that night comes home, finds out what’s been going on, that there’s been these murders, and she wants her front Tatum to come over, even though it’s light out.

Cathy: She’s still scared. She falls asleep, takes a nap. She wakes up to the ghostface guy calling her, it’s now dusk or it’s dark. And he says, I’m out on the front porch. And she goes out on the front porch.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: She’s like, I’m calling your bluff. Okay. You were terrified two hours ago when nothing was happening and now you’re gonna go out on the front porch.

Cathy: But

Todd: didn’t you say earlier in the movie that the girls usually run upstairs, which is a bad idea. So she’s actually following her own advice by going out the front door. I know she’s not going out to escape, but she’s kind of following her own advice

Cathy: baby a little bit. I mean, there’s some truth to that.

Cathy: But he says, I’m on the front porch. Yeah. And she goes out. So, um, so Tatum breaks this too. They all break this law. Okay. Um, don’t split up. That’s another rule [00:40:00] because Ghost face loves it when characters wander off alone. Yeah. Like when take goes to the garage, I would say

Todd: most bad guys like it. Yeah. When they can pick ’em up one at a time.

Cathy: Yeah. Another rule. Don’t ask who’s there.

Todd: Okay.

Cathy: Casey does that when he, she already knows this person’s calling her and threatening her life. And then the, someone knocks on the door and she’s like,

Todd: who’s there? Well, I feel like if you do that, um, I mean Michael Myers or Jason are probably not gonna answer Freddy Might,

Cathy: which is why it’s a dumb thing to do.

Todd: Yeah. Yeah. It’s just, it’s just a, like, what are you really, what information are you really gonna get? Right.

Cathy: And they’re gonna be like, oh, it’s just me. I’m coming to kill you. It’s just

Todd: me.

Cathy: Um, the next one is be careful answering the phone. This is one of those that I wanted to say to Casey, quit answering the phone.

Todd: That’s totally what I was gonna, that was one of my hot takes.

Cathy: Yeah. Quit answering the phone.

Todd: This would be a lot more boring of a movie if Drew Barrymore just didn’t answer the phone after the first phone call was a little creepy.

Cathy: Exactly. And same with, um, Sydney. She answers the phone [00:41:00] so many times that she drops the phone downstairs, comes upstairs to call nine one one.

Cathy: Mm-hmm. Can’t, because the phone is off the hook, so she has to call 9 1 1 through her computer. Yeah. Which was crazy at the time. Yeah.

Todd: It’s kind of a sweet little move

Cathy: that, that was like a new thing. Another one, stay away from garages. Mm-hmm. We know this. Um, don’t trust your boyfriend. Ooh. Yeah. That’s rough.

Cathy: But it’s true in this movie, um, everyone is a suspect. Randy says that in all the movies. Yes. Everyone is a sub, uh, suspect. And this is one that happens in all the scary movies. Don’t assume the killer is dead. Never. Never. They get

Todd: us at almost every one of those, every of those movies movie.

Cathy: I know. Yeah.

Cathy: Uh, even in Die Hard.

Todd: Yes.

Cathy: Right. Yeah. What’s his name? The Ballard. And we keep

Todd: falling for it. I

Cathy: know. But the one in diehard was really surprising. Remember?

Todd: Uh, the long blind haired dude, I think Dan Go. Yeah. Yeah. Never the blind hair dude.

Cathy: He, because he’s already been like, thought to be dead for like an hour.

Todd: Yeah, yeah.

Cathy: So you’re kind of like, how is [00:42:00] he stepping up with a machine gun? And then that’s when the guy, what’s his name, the one who’s helping John McLean?

Todd: Uh, the police officer. I don’t remember his name. The guy

Cathy: who’s in Family Matters or whatever. Yeah. Okay. Um, so that’s it.

Todd: All right. Are we ready for my brand new, uh, category?

Todd: Yes. So the brand new category is called Hidden Gems. And what Hidden Gems means is it’s actors cameos are small details. We didn’t notice the first few times we watched it, and this is my sound effects. People say I’m crazy. I got diamonds on. Soles on my shoes. Yeah. See Diamond gems. Are you with me? Yeah.

Todd: It’s a bit of a reach. I know. I couldn’t find anything better. Okay. Do you have any, uh, suggestions? So a few hidden gems. First of all, I don’t know if this is true, but Linda Blair

Cathy: Yes.

Todd: Was in this Yes. She was one of the, she was like a reporter or something. She’s the Star of the Exorcist. 1973. Have you seen The Exorcist?

Todd: Of course. How many times?

Cathy: Hmm. Well, I’ve seen The Exorcist [00:43:00] full on where I sat down to watch it once. Yeah. I’ve seen parts of the Exorcist, like at parties in high school and stuff many times. Is

Todd: it safe to say that The Exorcist is kind of the King of the Hill on Yes. Horror movies even more so than Halloween.

Cathy: They even put The Exorcist on TV at one point. Do you remember? Yeah, they, I mean, they had cut out everything. They gotta stop that, but, um, they, yeah, I, I think it’s just one of those movies that the way it’s directed, which, who’s that Director Fantasy loves that director. I can’t remember his name. Um, and the, the way it’s written and the people who are in it, it just was one of those that was, you know, well thought of and it’s terrifying.

Cathy: And it changed like the way our country dealt with kids who were struggling. Yeah. All of a sudden we thought they all had demons. Yeah.

Todd: Um, and around the 12 minute mark at the beginning of the movie, when Casey, that’s Drew Barrymore’s parents come home to find something’s wrong. Her father tells [00:44:00] her to go to the Mackenzie’s, which is the same thing.

Todd: Lori, Jamie Lee Curtis told Lindsay and Tommy to do in Halloween. That is so true. I didn’t catch that. It’s kind of cool. That is cool. Yeah. Mackenzie’s, yeah, they got, they got a lot of things. Are the Mackenzie’s the one that didn’t let them in or did let them in? I think the Mackenzie’s let ’em in. Oh, good.

Todd: Uh, the high school scenes were shot at the Santa Rosa High School in California. However, very close to the shooting dates. The school board. Um, read the script and denied the film to be shot there due to the violent nature as they had been under the impression the film was comedy. So production had to move to Helburg, California as payback director West Craven put in the end credits under the special thanks section.

Todd: No thanks whatsoever to the Santa Rosa City school district governing board. It’s kind of funny. That is. And then finally at around the 52 minute Mark Henry Winkler, also known as Theon a a, uh, opens the closet, his black [00:45:00] leather fonzi jacket, happy days, hanging in it. That is awesome. Yes.

Cathy: And he also, Todd and I noticed he looks in the mirror a little bit and yes.

Cathy: Combs his hair, he’s cut on. It wasn’t as obvious as the way the Fons did it, but we’re like, Hey, was that on purpose? Yeah.

Todd: Um, so that’s what I got. Um, and this is my category. So I assume you don’t have any hidden gems.

Cathy: I have one.

Todd: What do you got?

Cathy: Um, one thing that’s kind of funny and then I actually kind of looked it up and it’s part of the lore of the movie, is that, um.

Cathy: You know, when like Casey looks inside her house from, she’s standing outside and she looks inside her house and Ghostface is running around any kind of trips.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: And then, um, there’s another scene where, and, and this one may be a little more as it’s supposed to be, but when the first time that Ghost face comes to Sydney’s house, he like trips up the stairs.

Cathy: Yeah. And so it, it’s kind of funny ’cause the he’s tripping. You’re not

Todd: used to seeing the bad guy trip.

Cathy: Correct. And that was not, it wasn’t done on purpose, [00:46:00] but the person who was playing Ghost Face did it by accident and then they decided they liked it. Yeah. Because it makes more sense that two teenage boys trying to run around and get someone is going to trip.

Todd: Yeah. I saw no tripping from Michael Myers or Jason. They were very methodical and intentional in how they moved around the room. So Michael Myers walks like, he’s a zombie. What does Jason do? I don’t, I think he does the same thing. I don’t, I don’t remember anybody running, which is hilarious because all these teenagers can probably all run pretty fast,

Cathy: you know?

Cathy: Who does? Is really like Sprite and runs around.

Todd: Oh,

Cathy: Krueger,

Todd: Freddy. Yeah. He’s in your dreams, man.

Cathy: He is. But don’t you picture him being almost

Todd: like. He’s the most docile. Hyperactive. He’s the most docile of the three.

Cathy: Yeah. He’s the most

Todd: docile

Cathy: and the possibly the most not real. Like the most dead.

Clip: Yes.

Cathy: Um, so that was mine that I thought was kind of funny that they have this, someone running, because think about this, they’re in this like big cape with the ghost [00:47:00] mask.

Cathy: Mm-hmm. And the actor, you just thinking about filming it has to run around. Yeah. And run upstairs. And they’re tripping. And probably for a while, I’m just making this up, but they were probably like, oh my God, dude, get your shit together. Yeah. And then eventually they’re like, no, this is good for the movie.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: So that was mine.

Todd: Um, okay. I don’t have any music for this next one, this next category, but it’s called Hall Pass. And Hall Pass is the part that you might wanna skip when you’re rewatching. Okay. And this is a bit of a hot take or maybe it’s not, it’s probably a lukewarm take. Okay. The whole David Arquette Dewey thing.

Todd: I just don’t need any of it. Do you understand the importance of it though? I think they needed an another character to be around. It’s just, it just doesn’t land for me at all.

Cathy: Okay. I get it.

Todd: It’s just a, it’s a weak part of the movie. So like, does anybody like, oh, I love the Dewey scenes.

Cathy: I don’t think so either. I was actually kind of bored. I didn’t care about he and Gail having a relationship. It’s the whole thing. I know. [00:48:00] It’s just dumb. He was at the very beginning. He, there was a little bit of humor in that remember, but none of it was funny. Do you remember when? Okay. She was daughter of, uh, it’s.

Todd: Oh, Dewey’s in the scene, but he is not talking. Okay.

Cathy: Sorry

Todd: about that.

Cathy: He’s, he’s being very David Arquette. I mean, I just, he’s just doing, do you wanna know what one of my least favorite friends episodes is?

Todd: Is with Phoebe? Yeah. Being chased by David Arquette.

Cathy: I think it comes like, after they had filmed Scream when Courtney Cox and David Arquette were dating, he

Clip: a second friends reference everybody,

Cathy: um, he came on friends, but instead of having him be with Courtney Cox, there’s this like C plot.

Cathy: ’cause there’s like always an A B, C plot. Yeah, a C plot. Where Phoebe’s sister Ursula. Had been dating this guy who was a stalker and he now is stalking Phoebe. ’cause he thinks it’s [00:49:00] Ursula. Yeah. And she’s like, oh, I like him. Yeah. I’m gonna date him anyway. And it’s the cheesiest, like, there’s these scenes where he’s stalking her, like at the subway and he’s like hiding behind poles.

Cathy: Yeah. And it’s not funny. Yeah. And it doesn’t make any sense. And why is Phoebe dating someone who has stalked her sister? The whole thing is dumb. Right? So I kind of, I kind of am with you, but it’s cute that he and Courtney Cox got together.

Todd: Are you ready to roll in the deep

Cathy: What about my hall path? Oh, I didn’t know you had one.

Cathy: Good. Sure. You told me you sent these to me. You told me to do it.

Todd: All right.

Cathy: I, I do these things that you tell me to do. All right. Um, all the deaths. I don’t watch any of ’em.

Todd: Yeah. You could just skip over all those Yeah. That I don’t

Cathy: need to see them.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: Yeah. So that’s all.

Todd: All right. That makes sense.

Cathy: Rolling in the deep.

Todd: Rolling In the deep.

Todd: All right. I have, um, just a whole sydnee. They, they, they keep expecting her to be done with the murder of her mom.

Cathy: Dude, it’s like [00:50:00] brought up like three times. Yeah.

Todd: Unprocessed trauma. I think Sydnee needs to go to therapy. Yeah.

Cathy: It’s only been

Todd: a year. Yeah. By the way, her mom was brutally raped and murdered and they’re all like a year before, get over that and Billy’s like, can we just have sex now because it’s been a year.

Cathy: Oh, bad.

Todd: Now here’s my question. I feel like there somewhere in the beginning of the movie Billy and Sydney are, um. She’s like telling him, I know I used to like wanna do more stuff with you. Yes. Sexually. Yes. And she’s not because she’s had this trauma, so they probably messed around. But they never had sex at the beginning of it.

Todd: No,

Cathy: they had never had sex before. But he’s like, when we first started out, first of all, he climbs in her window. Yeah. Unexpected. So as you said, that’s WTF in itself. Then he says to her, when we first started out, we were like an NC 17 movie or rated our movie and now we are like a G movie. I don’t even remember what he says, but [00:51:00] he’s basically like pissed to Todd’s point that, that they’re not, he’s not getting more action.

Cathy: Yep. And he literally says to her, you need to get over the death of your mom.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: And then her again, this is so, ugh. This is so like our generation. And so of the time I got a little Billie, you ready? Yes.

Clip: Two years ago we started off hot and heavy. She Nice. Solid R rating on our way to an NNC 17 Now.

Clip: Things have changed and

Todd: Yeah. Your mom was murdered. No, he did it. That’s right. Wait a second. He

Clip: killed her mom

Todd: if he really wanted to have sex. I’m gonna pause it right there. Here’s an idea. If you wanna move your relationship forward as a teenager and advance sexually, don’t kill her mom, your girlfriend’s mom.

Cathy: Right. And then don’t expect her to get over it. Yeah. And what’s gone on for this whole year?

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: So why? And again, the answer is that they’re ramping up and he’s starting to kill people again. Yeah. But [00:52:00] honestly, it’s like the dumbest scene ever. Yeah.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: And so, but then what bothers me is the misogynistic part, or the part that we’re just so used to is she feels bad.

Clip: Yeah. Yeah.

Cathy: She’s like, I’m so sorry. And then she’s like, well, you settle for PG 13. Mm-hmm. And then she flashes him.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: And he calls her a tease. Yeah. So

Todd: like Claire was

Cathy: Welcome to John Bender. Right. Welcome to being a girl. Yeah. In the eighties and nineties is everything is your fault. Mm-hmm. You don’t have a say.

Cathy: And if you’re like saying, well, I’ll do this much, then you’re a tease. Yeah. So you can’t win.

Todd: Good luck. So that’s the only rolling in the deep I had was just the unresolved trauma from Poor Sydney.

Cathy: Yeah, I would say there’s a lot. I think this whole movie is based on grief. Again, the, it’s somewhat satire and meta and all those things we’ve talked about, but you know, it’s all about her grief.

Cathy: Um, and that, that’s kind of a subtext of a lot of movies now. A lot of horror movies. The movie Hereditary was all about grief. The BA Duck was all about grief. Spinal is all about grief. And so it’s like, [00:53:00] um, it, there’s such a shadow around grief that it makes it easy to make a horror movie around it. Sure.

Cathy: Because we, the pain we feel and the darkness that people experience, it becomes really a horror movie can represent grief. Um. Very well. Right. Um, so another thing is about betrayal. You know, we talked about Billy and we, we’ve kind of alluded to this, like he, um, betrayed her. I mean, he betrayed humanity.

Cathy: Yeah. But he also betrayed her

Todd: betrayed human decency. Yeah. Humanity. His girlfriend, his girlfriend’s mom.

Cathy: And the, you know, the, the killers are not random people. They are Sidney’s friends. Yeah. Like they’re, and again, this is a horror movie, so they’re taking it to extreme horror. But when you’re friends.

Cathy: Betray you or you lose trust, or they’re talking behind your back, or they’re, they’re choosing to not hang out with you or whatever. There’s a lot of high school betrayal. Mm-hmm. And then the horror movie genre just takes it up a notch. Um, and ironically, you know, grief is something we fear. We [00:54:00] don’t like sadness, but betrayal is one of the top fears that human beings have.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: It the idea because what does betrayal mean? It means you’re isolated again. Yeah.

Todd: You, your group. Yeah. You had something and now you’ve lost it.

Cathy: Correct. And so things are more difficult when you don’t have your group. Um, I think, uh, paranoia, uh, something about horror movies that’s really kind of interesting as far as, um, you know, in this movie there’s a lot of paranoia of who we’re supposed to believe.

Cathy: Thought that was kind of interesting. Well, and

Todd: I, and this probably should have been back and remember when, but do you remember being a little kid and you were watching TV with your parents? Too late, but the scary commercials would come up.

Cathy: Oh dude. Totally.

Todd: And I would either run away and not watch it or watch it and just be terrified and it would like f up the first hour of me trying to fall asleep.

Cathy: Okay. We kind of talked about this on a podcast months and months ago, but Todd and I this summer decide to watch Children of the Corn for some crazy reason. And we started talking about the [00:55:00] fact that even the commercial terrified me. And again, it didn’t come on until late at night. ’cause they, we actually used to have regulation to support children.

Cathy: Yeah. Um, we don’t have that anymore.

Clip: No, we don’t.

Cathy: Um, but we, you know, I would think about that commercial, you know, even with a limited amount of information. We, we don’t wanna do Children of the Corn in spooky season, do we? No. You wanna

Todd: know why? Why?

Cathy: Because it’s so bad.

Todd: It’s a horrific, it was awesome.

Todd: Terribly terrible movie. It

Cathy: was really bad. Um, so we won’t do that. And then, um, you know, I think. One of the most, I keep referring to what meta is. I keep saying it’s a meta movie and I’m using that on purpose ’cause it really is. Um, but what meta means is it literally means beyond Yeah. Or about itself.

Cathy: Yeah. Okay. So it’s a movie. Showing you something and then talking to you about what it’s showing you. Yeah. Okay. So it’s a self-awareness movie. Mm-hmm. So when we say meta, we just mean it’s self-aware. So it comments on itself. [00:56:00] It comments on its genre, it comments on the rules of storytelling, and instead of just having it play out, it’s telling you what’s happening.

Cathy: Yeah. So like Randy’s rules? Yeah. Or you know, what happened, you know, what’s his name? Just, um, Billy just saying, we used to be NC 17. Yeah. And now we’re like, they’re talking to you about what you’re seeing. Um, and so, you know, all and all the movies within the movie, you know, I already talked about those a while ago.

Cathy: Halloween, Friday 13th. You already know what to expect because they’re telling us.

Todd: And I’ll go one more step is this is a Meritex film, so talk about people making some bad decisions. Wow. Is the head of Miramax good old Harvey Weinstein?

Cathy: He sure did. He was, I mean, for those and everybody who listens to this is basically our age.

Cathy: So, um, you know, I don’t think a lot of younger people, well, maybe younger people still listen, we used to have a lot of cow, just one to

Todd: my, uh, niece who’s in seventh grade. Did you, you didn’t send her this one though. This is scary. I sent her, uh, some, the outsider, I turned pretty

Cathy: well the summer I turned [00:57:00] pretty.

Cathy: Yeah, those are good. Yeah. They don’t, don’t tell her to listen to this. This is too scary. Yeah. Um, but this is a, um. What was I gonna say? I can’t remember. I, I was saying that

Todd: I interrupted you, babe. I’m sorry.

Cathy: Yeah, that’s okay. I was, I was in flow. Um, but it doesn’t matter. The, I will switch to another thing and maybe figure it out.

Cathy: The other meta thing is that the killer is playing along in this movie, like Ghostface literally quizzes everybody about other

Todd: killers. Yeah. I kinda like that part of ghost face. Gotta be honest with you. Yeah. Like it, it’d be so much more boring if he just killed people. He gives people a chance, kinda like in no country for old men where he has them flip a coin.

Todd: Right. He gives them agency. Does he though? Yeah. If what would’ve happened, here’s the, here’s the unanswerable answerable question. What would’ve happened if Drew Barrymore’s character would’ve answered correctly to the Miss Jason Voorhees mom? They still would’ve killed them both. Well then he has no integrity.

Cathy: I know. And the guy, [00:58:00] you know, a big part of no country for old men is the woman at the end who says, why You don’t have to do this. You don’t have to make people flip coins. Mm-hmm. You don’t. And the thing is, is even if that old guy at the gas station had flipped and not gotten heads or whatever, he still would’ve been terrified and traumatized the rest of his life.

Cathy: You don’t have to walk around killing people.

Todd: But he did leave some PE people, he, he did the coin flip thing and let certain people go based on, okay,

Cathy: maybe so, but he, he doesn’t, he doesn’t get to decide that that is, and you may say, well, the coin decides it. He doesn’t get to decide that the coin decides it.

Cathy: Now

Todd: you’re getting, now you’re confusing my brain. I’m

Cathy: getting meta.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: See, I’m trying to practice what I’m saying. One more thing that’s interesting Yep. Is audience complicity that the, that we as viewers, we laugh at all these cliches about being, you know, the scary cliches, yet we’re still scared of it while it’s happening.

Cathy: Yeah. So it’s like so many cool layers, which is why this movie, you know, um, did so well because we kind of had thought [00:59:00] we had knew what horror movies were.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: And we were like, this is what a horror movie is. And the thing that, you know, it’s interesting about Scream is then it, another movie came off of it besides all the Scream, you know, franchisees, franchise, you know, or sequels.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: It was Then you had the movie, scary Movie. Yeah. Which was a satire of Scream. I, I wonder if that’s any good. Yeah, I’ve seen the first scary movie. Really? Yeah. I, that’s all I’ve seen though, is just the first one. They make fun of

Todd: Dewey

Cathy: for sure. They make fun of everybody. They make fun of what they’re making fun of.

Cathy: And it’s very funny. It’s Keenan, it’s the weigh-ins. Oh it is? Yeah. Got it. Um, and it’s very funny and also, um. There was something else I was gonna say about Scream. I keep losing it. It’s all right. It doesn’t matter. Oh, I know the other horror movies besides the scary movie. Remember? Remember when we saw Cabin in the Woods?

Cathy: Uh,

Todd: yeah. That was pretty good. You did? I liked it more than you did, I

Cathy: think. Yeah. I, it was so, there were parts of it. There were so scary and there’s so much blood, but they have all the characters of all the movies [01:00:00] walking through it. Yeah. And so that’s super meta. And then even something like Deadpool, you know, where he is kind of breaking the fourth wall and talking about how they didn’t have money Yeah.

Cathy: To get like X-Men in his movie and stuff like that. Um, and then other things that are meta but that aren’t scary. The office parks and rec community flea bag, you know, they’re like kind of bringing you in on what they’re doing Yeah. While they’re doing it. So, um, so that’s it.

Clip: Nobody puts baby in the corner.

Todd: This is, uh, a simple, easy category. Sweetie, is scream a cringe or a classic for you? It’s a classic. I totally agree. Mm-hmm. Ages? Well, yes. Oh no.

Cathy: It, it ages well and it, it’s, you know, it stands the test of time. There’s been so many things that have come from it. All that stuff that I was just reading to you.

Cathy: Um, it re it revitalized the horror genre. And just so you guys know, a horror movie is [01:01:00] so easy for a studio to make because they know they’ll make their money back.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: They know, first of all, it’s not that expensive. Right. Um, and they know they’ll make their money back because opening weekends of a horror movie, if it’s a bad horror movie, the opening weekend is good.

Cathy: And then a trails off. Yeah. If it’s a fairly good. Movie. It’s well written like Hereditary or baba ducker or these ones that are kind of smart. Um, it has this like long tail, like where it goes for a really long time and they make a ton of money.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: So it’s interesting, the genre is kind of, there’s not a lot of movies that get made these days, but horror movies get made.

Clip: Yeah.

Todd: So, um, what else? Uh, so we have what, one or two more music game. Um, what about this one?

Clip: May the force be with you? May the force be with you. May the force be with you. May the fool be with you.

Todd: May the force be with you. All right. Um, just one wonderful quote that I love. Favorite quotes, this is the favorite quotes part.

Todd: Yep.

Clip: You call the police, sorry.[01:02:00]

Todd: There’s like three or four wonderfully funny lines in the most intense moment of the movie, which is just a pretty risky thing. Mm-hmm. Because you want people to be scared, but that’s a hilarious life. My mom. Did you see my mom at My

Cathy: mom and dad are gonna be so mad at me. And you’re, you’re kind of getting as he is saying it, first of all, he’s been stabbed a bunch of times.

Cathy: Yeah. And he’s, he feels like he’s dying. Yeah. He’s like, man, I think you went too deep. I’m dying. ’cause Billy’s, they were trying to stab each other, so it looked like they got hurt too. And then you’re looking around his house and there’s blood everywhere. So many people have been murdered. It’s so, it’s funny, it’s facetious.

Cathy: And you know, Matthew, he called the police,

Clip: sorry.

Cathy: Um, he became a breakout star after this movie. Did he? Oh my God. Yeah. What did he do? He ended up doing Scooby Doo. He was, um, oh, he was probably Shaggy. He was Shaggy and then he did, um, [01:03:00] without a paddle with Dax and that other guy, Seth, what’s his name with Red hair?

Todd: Seth Green?

Cathy: Yeah. I think it was Seth Green.

Cathy: Okay. He just kind of had a little like, uh, you know, nineties rotation of movies he was in more than that. But he, he was, don’t you think he was the breakout? We see, we already knew Nev Campbell. ’cause if you watch Party of Five Yeah. You know, she was around and then, um, the skeet, it’s interesting ’cause he, people thought of him as a Johnny Depp kind of repeat.

Cathy: Right. He looks so much like Johnny Depp, which in itself is kind of cool and meta. ’cause Johnny Depp was in a nightmare on Elm Street. Right. Right. Um, and then who are the other people in it? You know, we already know. Yeah. Do we all that kind of stuff.

Todd: Um, all right. Are we ready for music game?

Cathy: Sure.

Todd: That song makes go all. Alright. Um, once again, I’m gonna go first. Okay. And I’m not [01:04:00] excited. I’m, I’m still deciding between, oh. I’m still deciding between two different songs. All right. To play and I’m gonna choose to go with the darker one. Okay. ’cause this is a dark, scary movie where you scream a lot.

Todd: Okay. The song I was gonna play that I think you’d really make fun of me for is the um, party of Five theme. ’cause Nev Campbell’s in it, you mean the Bodine? Everybody wants to respect just a little bit. Yeah. That’s a great song. But instead I’m just gonna go with this ’cause it’s creepy.

Cathy: Make complicated.

Todd: The video’s even scary, like what’s going on in this video? Sexual though, Todd, I know there’s a lot of sex in this movie. Mm-hmm. You know, it’s true. Well, is there a lot of sex? Well, there’s a lot of talking about sex. You know, Billy wants to have sex with what’s her name, and one of the rules of, you know, to survive a horror movie is no sex.

Todd: So yeah, it all, well, why I like it.

Cathy: It’s called Closer, right? Yes. Nine Inch [01:05:00] Nails. Yes. I like it because it’s of the time. Yep. So like, it kind of fits where we were in our mentality and it is very dark. Yeah. That song is very dark.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: So I kind of went, I didn’t go with a scary song. I went with, I decided, because as you just noticed, I was talking all about what’s meta, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Cathy: So I decided to choose a song that’s also meta. Mm-hmm. And relate it to this movie. So this guy named Kurt Cobain. Yeah, I heard of him. He wrote this song about. Arena rock anthems that are really dumb. And he made the, the riff really simple and the lyrics were like, total nonsense. And it’s like the chorus is like just a chant.

Cathy: And it’s, um, and it’s ironic because the song became an anthem of our generation,

Todd: is it smells like Teen Spirit. It is. Oh, wow. I didn’t, I don’t think it is simple. I think it’s a hard song to play, but All right, I’ll, I’ll go with you. I’m not gonna.[01:06:00]

Todd: So what is this song about?

Cathy: This song is like about he’s kind of making fun of anthems, like rock anthems. Yeah. And it’s like a nonsensical song. You, you know, the words to this song just like I do, right? Yeah. Yeah. There’s not like a really deep meaning he’s making fun of rock song. Yeah. And the song becomes the biggest song of our generation.

Cathy: That’s very meta, right? Yeah. It’s ironic. Yeah. And so, you know, it’s, it’s kind of a, kind of a self-aware critique. I don’t know if you knew that was gonna happen, but it has the same kind of energy, a scream, a movie that points out horror cliches, but becomes one of the most. The biggest, you know, biggest

Todd: thing of its generation.

Todd: What

Cathy: do you think about that? The only reason I’m not super psyched about choose choosing smells like Teen Spirit is I think I’ve chosen it before.

Todd: Oh yeah. So that means I automatically win this week.

Cathy: Okay, that’s fine. But I still liked my meta, my meta, um, observation.

Todd: Um, next week [01:07:00] we’re doing next

Cathy: week is Twilight.

Cathy: If you are an Edward Cullen fan, please come back because I am an Edward Cullen fan. Yeah. So I will sing his praises. Um, we will talk about Bella and how clumsy she is. We’ll talk about Jacob and how he’s so hot. Yeah. Not hot, like attractive but hot because he is a werewolf. Yeah. And, uh, and we’ll even talk about, you know, Carlisle Cullen.

Cathy: ’cause I love all the Cullins.

Todd: You’re gonna do a lot of talking on that podcast. I don’t know how many hot takes I’m gonna have, but we’ll find out. Uh, see you next week. Adios.

Round two. Change a little bit. And change a little bit. Pretty pleasant.