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First loves are important,

but they’re not as important as lasts. Get anything else? Now that I saw you? Have you ever been in love once? I don’t wanna think of anything else now that I saw you. What was her name?

Cathy: I loved him in a way that you can only really do the first time around, but that’s the past. Jeremiah, he’s my future. This is the way it’s supposed to be. He’s the one

Cathy: my mom. Believe anyone you loved was family. Anyone [00:01:00] who loved you

Cathy: we’re getting married.

Cathy: I’m sorry, what? Did you know this? Oh, belly Honey.

Cathy: You two aren’t ready for a commitment like this. You’re talking about a lifetime though. I want to be with Belly for a lifetime. I can commit to that easy. That is how I know you aren’t

Cathy: ready.

Cathy: Is everything okay?

Cathy: How are we supposed to do this without both of

Cathy: our

Cathy: mom?

Cathy: We’ll figure it out. I got you. You and Jeremiah are really lucky.

Cathy: You get to spend the rest of your life with a guy that you love. Not a lot of people can say that. When I’m with Jer, everything is easier, but everywhere I go. There’s a memory of Conrad.

Todd: Oh, no memory of Conrad. That’s terrible. Um,

Cathy: is it terrible?

Todd: It is terrible. No. Uh, my name’s Todd Adams. I’m with Zen Pop Parenting.

Todd: Who are you?

Cathy: This is Kathy Adams.

Todd: Uh, welcome to our next podcast called the Gen X Literacy of the Summer. I turned pretty and sweetie, remind everybody what it is that Zen Pop Parenting is.

Cathy: Well, we [00:02:00] are, um, uh, what are we? We are Gen X. Oh boy. I forgot. I know. I got it. I wrote it down. We, gen X culture meets real life reflection.

Cathy: Sometimes it just takes a minute to remember what we are. Yes. I mean, we’ve only been doing this for a few months. Well, it’s kind of connects to what we’re talking about. ’cause Belly is trying to figure out who she is. Yes. Just like we are trying to figure out our tagline.

Todd: One of these days, we’ll figure it out, sweetie.

Cathy: I, we figured it out. I just gotta memorize it.

Todd: Yeah. Gotta put it up in the old brain. Um, so here’s the deal. Uh, Kathy, have you been watching this since day one? Correct. Okay. And you read the books correct? All three. All right. And Todd, I’m gonna refer myself, uh, third in third, third person in, third person Todd slash team Jeremiah, um, watched a little, some of season three and we are recording this.

Todd: Uh, and it is going to be released the day before the series finale. Correct. So we are going to sort of not spoil anything because we don’t know what happens. But [00:03:00]

Cathy: even though Todd doesn’t understand that, that we do know things, we just don’t know how things are going to deal and facts well, is the

Todd: dangerous of we statements, sweetie.

Todd: Okay. You’re like, well, everybody knows this. Well,

Cathy: I don’t know it. Okay. So first of all, you’re not team Jeremiah, first of all, we gotta talk about that. Um, or are you really, like you have watched and you’re like, I am team Jeremiah, that’s like a real thing, or you just like to be the contrarian to my team, Conrad.

Cathy: He was.

Todd: What up? I’m glad they brought that into season three.

Cathy: We know. So Todd, so the girls who’ve been watching forever, as have I, and every time we talk about it, Todd would just say Jeremiah was a bull fog frog. Yeah. And then he had a bachelor party. Guess what they played? Of course. You gotta, it was pretty good.

Cathy: That’d be the soundtrack of me if my name was Jeremiah. That would be the soundtrack of you. Yeah. Yes. You know, there’s [00:04:00] this unfortunate thing where Todd’s name is used in movies and TV as being the most annoying character. That’s true on the show. That is it. And we could, can you

Todd: give me, can you,

Cathy: uh, wedding Crashers is the brother.

Cathy: Yep. Who is the artist? Yep. Who paints the picture for Vince Vaughn. Yep. Um, obviously the thing you just did from Saturday Night Live, it was, um, Gilda Radner and Bill Murray. Yep. And his name was Todd. Um. What’s another Todd? Is there Todd in Animal House? No,

Todd: no, no. Uh, you said Wedding Crashers, right? I did, yeah.

Todd: Um, Todd from Saturday Night Live, did you say? I already said, sorry. Are you not listening to me? No. ’cause I’m looking for a soundbite. Okay. While you’re talking. Okay. I can’t find it, so it doesn’t matter. But yeah, Todd is kind of the, the dweeb.

Cathy: Yeah. And even if it’s not a main character, it’s like you’ll be watching a movie and they’ll be like, this is Todd from the country club.

Cathy: Oh, Todd from Trading Places.

Todd: Yes.

Cathy: Yes.

Todd: I don’t know Margot

Cathy: Exactly. And then Todd from Christmas vacation and Oh yeah,

Todd: Margot. That’s right there. You [00:05:00] know, so we have

Cathy: a lot of, so unfortunately I love your.

Todd: I don’t, you don’t love it? I don’t. I love me, but I don’t love my name.

Cathy: You know, something exciting for me as a Kathy with a c What’s that?

Cathy: Weathering Heights, which is a book. Mm-hmm. You know, old book. Um, there are two characters. Kathy and Heathcliff.

Todd: Yep.

Cathy: Kathy with a C. And they just did a movie with Margot Robbie and Jacob a Lorde. And so that name may make a comeback.

Todd: It needs some help.

Cathy: I know my name Kathy kind of is, is in a box with like Judy, which is my mom’s name.

Cathy: ’cause I’m named after my mom’s best friend. So it’s kind of like from at that time. Yeah. Um, and you know those names, those like boomer names

Cathy: Todd, come on in. You haven’t even touched

Todd: your food yet. It’s good. Todd.

Cathy: Yeah, actually, um, Todd is an amazing painter. Todd, you are an [00:06:00] amazing painter.

Todd: I am. I am. So, okay, so if you’ve never watched this show or read the book, you’re in good hands.

Todd: It’s okay.

Cathy: Correct. We, there’s not gonna be any ruining, but we are gonna be doing a deep dive and here’s why. So, as Todd said, um, you know, this is called the Gen X Literacy of the Summer. I turn pretty, this is not just about the show on surface because I know a lot of people may say, well, it’s a, you know, these are young adult novels, these are ya novels, and this is a show for teenagers or college kids or whatever.

Cathy: But I have found it to be a very interesting deep dive into, um, like taking from other movies, taking from other books, like a big. What’s the word I’m looking? It’s not collaboration. Like they’re pulling inspiration in their, this show is inspired by so many things from Gen X literature and some of it’s millennial, um, but lot of Gen X movies.

Cathy: So I think it’s interesting from that perspective. And of course, who doesn’t love a good love triangle, right? [00:07:00] Yeah. Right. And Todd and I are gonna do a lot of lists of like, here’s the best love triangles, here’s the best. Um, like I,

Todd: I did two lists and we’re not gonna do ’em right now. We’re gonna make people wait.

Todd: But one is the best use of a song in a movie or a TV show.

Cathy: And let me explain why we’re doing that. This show. Does an extraordinary job of using music to tell the story. Yeah. Almost. So on the nose it’s, it’s a little much. Yeah. Like where you’re like, okay, we already kind of understood that and you’re just telling us again the song.

Cathy: It’s almost like

Todd: you wrote around the song.

Cathy: Yeah. Which they didn’t. ’cause the majority of it is Taylor Swift music, so they pulled from it again. Jenny Hanh the author of the books and she’s also producing the show. She’s inspired by it. Yeah. Um, and then, so go ahead.

Todd: The other one that I did was Top Five Love Triangles in TV or movies.

Todd: Great. So,

Cathy: and then I also did a bunch of Easter eggs that people may know from Easter Eggs, meaning things that are put into the show that we’re supposed to catch to help propel the story, but also just for the [00:08:00] people who love the books, it’s like more information. Yeah. You know, enjoyment for the viewer.

Cathy: Um, and I also think, again, this is going to our more of our Zen parenting mentality. Do you, do you have that music? Uh, I do. Of close

Todd: by. I, I have it right here. Good.

Cathy: So for those of you that are Zen Parenting fans, um, which I’m assuming you are, there is also, this is an opportunity, and again, this is coming out the day before the finale, but a fun thing to talk to your kids about.

Cathy: Yeah. I am quite certain that if you a daughter or maybe even son, see I have girls, so I don’t know if boys are watching this.

Todd: I’m guessing some boys are watching it and the bros are, would never admit that they’re watching it, but they’re walking. But they know it. Yeah.

Cathy: They understand the cultural literacy of it.

Cathy: Yeah. They know the Conrad and Jeremiah. ’cause like for example, we were at, um, last, a couple weekends ago we were in Iowa for the Iowa State, um, university of Iowa game. And they do these kind of funny things where they call it hate week and where [00:09:00] they say bad things about each other. Yeah. And one of the like things that was, uh, they, they spray paint things on sheets and then hang it outside their door.

Cathy: One of them said Iowa State. Iowa State is Team Jeremiah, which is yeah. Sorry, that

Todd: shouldn’t feel

Cathy: the dream. It is a rip on Iowa State because they’d be team Jeremiah. So obviously these guys know what this is. Yeah. Um, so anyway, it’s something to talk to your kids about. So that’s kind of what why we get interested in what our kids are interested in is because it, it helps us have better conversations, communication, connect all the parents that, hold on real

Todd: quick.

Todd: Is this heaven? No way, man. This is Iowa, right? You, you already played that? Uh, yeah, but it wasn’t as good as that. Okay, good. Um, for all the dads who are like, I can’t connect with my kids, especially if you have daughters. Watch the show. Done, watch, done the show. Just we got some or your kids’ questions about it instead of.

Todd: Saying, how was your day at school? [00:10:00] Saying, what’s going on with Jeremiah? Right. He’s getting a little snippy. It’s quite a conundrum. Those three are in,

Cathy: that’s all Todd said for like three months? Yes. Is every time we talk about it, he’d be like, it’s quite a conundrum. So like, do you know what the conundrum is?

Todd: No, I don’t. I know. Um, so can I set the scene real quick in the way that I want to here? Go ahead. Okay.

Todd: All right, so what I wanna do is I wanna give everybody a short paragraph on each of the first three seasons. Oh, that’s lovely. Go ahead. Okay, here we go real quick. Uh, belly. She’s our protagonist, I guess. Or the main character.

Cathy: Yes. And the first season is based off the book. The summer I turned pretty, ’cause the other two books are called Something Else.

Todd: Belly Spends her Summer at Cousin’s Beach with her mom, Laurel brother Steven and the Fisher family. That’s Susanna Conrad and Jerem. Jeremiah Susanna’s, the mom, Uhhuh, and then Conrad and Jeremiah Brothers Belly has a long, has long crushed on Conrad. Yes, but he’s distant [00:11:00] while Jeremiah openly falls for her.

Todd: She briefly dates Cam. Who’s Cam?

Cathy: Cam Cameron. It’s just

Todd: a guy that she starts dating, but she’s torn between the Fisher Brothers Amid parties. A debutante prep and secrets belly kisses both Jeremiah and Conrad culminating in Conrad dancing with her at the ball and their first real kiss. Correct. The season ends with the reveal of Susanna’s cancer.

Todd: Yes. Any holes you wanna plug there?

Cathy: No. I mean, I think that’s a good overview and I think, and we will get into this more with remember when in random facts. But a big part of this, uh, show, especially the, the first book the Summer I turned Pretty, is understanding that there is a history that these families have been getting together their entire lives.

Cathy: So Laurel and Susanna, the moms are best friends from college. They have children and basically spend their lives together, especially every summer at this beach. This is Susanna’s house, this is her beach. And so these kids [00:12:00] have known each other and they’ve grown up together more like siblings. But then, you know what happens, Todd?

Cathy: When, you know, belly shows up. Her name’s Isabelle, but they call her belly when she shows up that summer. She doesn’t have glasses anymore. Mm-hmm. Guess what? She turns pretty, she turns pretty. So now they’re, she’s like, what’s her name from Brady

Todd: Bunch? Correct. Every, every movie. I wish Nora was here. Norra would tell me who the character was on Brady Bunch that took off her glasses.

Cathy: I know. Any idea who it was? Um, I don’t remember. Don’t

Todd: remember? Okay.

Cathy: Um, was it, I don’t

Todd: know. Are you ready for season two? Um, sure. Go ahead. Grief over Susanna’s death intensifies the Fisher Conklin family Tensions Belly Conrad and Jeremiah fight to save the beloved Cousin’s summer house. Yes. From being sold Love triangles flare, his belly rekindles feelings for both brothers.

Todd: While Jeremiah openly claims her heart, key moments include Conrad’s panic attacks. Yes. Jeremiah narrating his jealousy. Yep. And Belly realizing she still loves Conrad. The season’s [00:13:00] finale traps the three in a stormy motel where belly chooses Jeremiah leaving Conrad heartbroken.

Cathy: Okay, so season two is based off the book.

Cathy: It’s not Summer Without You, which is the second book. Um, and it’s not my favorite season of the three, to be honest. Um, it is a, like you said, they’re, they figure out Susanna dies, which is hard enough, and then they figure out that. Adam, who is Susanna’s ex-husband, is trying to sell the house. And that becomes the big thing.

Cathy: And Conrad is just one of those characters who thinks he needs to do everything on his own. So he’s got all this information. He knew when Susanna was sick. He knew Susanna was gonna die. He knew the house was gonna be sold. But instead of asking people for help, he thinks he needs to do everything alone, which causes miscommunication and breakdown.

Cathy: Not quite like three’s company miscommunication. That’s a different kind of miscommunication, but miscommunication that like makes belly think Conrad doesn’t love her. Mm-hmm. And all this, she’s, he doesn’t tell her what’s going on and he’s struggling with his own mental health. I [00:14:00] mean, he’s having panic attacks, et cetera.

Cathy: Um, yeah, it’s a little freeze company.

Cathy: What about, what are the words not gonna do a little freeze company. Actually tiny, but not funny. Okay. Um, a little more serious. And so. You know, it’s the way they say it. It’s, there’s so much more to it because in this book you actually get Jeremiah’s viewpoint as well.

Todd: Mm-hmm.

Cathy: So he does certain chapters, only a couple, and they’re not that long.

Cathy: But you start to kind of hear how he’s thinking and you have to understand that Jeremiah’s the younger brother, you have to understand that he, everyone’s looked up to Conrad and thinks Conrad is amazing. Dad, Adam has always Todd, you’ll understand Conrad’s the golden child.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: So Jeremiah has always kind of gotten the shaft in that way.

Cathy: Right. So he’s interested in Belly too, but he knows the belly has always loved Conrad. So he’s more focused and intentional. Mm-hmm. About being with her. And Conrad [00:15:00] then at the end, kind of feels like even though he does tell her I wanna be with you too, because of his own mental health and what he’s gotta do, he’s like, you’d be better off with Jer.

Cathy: And I think Conrad again, three’s company. He sees them kissing at one point, and I think he assumes they care about each other. It’s very commu, it’s miscommunication.

Todd: Are you ready for season three? Yes. No, we haven’t decided. Exactly. So we’re just gonna assume everybody’s watched it up until the finale.

Todd: Right. Okay. The, uh, the story fast forwards to college years, belly and Jeremiah are engaged after Rocky Trust issues, including JIRA’s Spring Break Betrayal. Yes. The family disapproves while Steven and Lacey Barone. While Steve. While Stewie Newman Stewie Newman, while. Steven and Taylor juggle messy romances of their own wedding planning, magnifies belly’s doubts as Conrad quietly supports her from the sidelines at the bridal shower belly confuses details about Jira with Conrad exposing where her heart still lies by the finale.

Todd: Jeremiah confronts her and she [00:16:00] admits she still loves Conrad. Did she do that in the last, uh, did she? Yeah. Okay. I forget. The wedding is called Off belly Departs. Paris in Conrad returns to California marking a painful but hopeful reset and that’s where we are right now.

Cathy: Yeah, so that book is called, we’ll Always Have Summer, and there’s a few differences.

Cathy: Number one in the book, belly’s only 18. She’s a freshman in college. That’s when she and Jeremiah decide to get married in the show. They’re 21, it’s their fourth. Uh, Jeremiah should have graduated, but he’s a fifth year, which his dad is not too excited about. And Bell’s in her fourth year of college. So they’re much older.

Cathy: Um, and I think that’s so they can get around the drinking and whatever. Yeah. Also a really big thing is in the books. Um, at least from my understanding, belly is a virgin. She hasn’t had sex with either of them. Where in the, so who does she

Todd: have sex with first? Conrad. Conrad first. Mm-hmm. And, and Conrad only once or a bunch of times.

Cathy: Uh, I think they show us twice, but who knows, right? Like that’s just what they’re showing us. And then in [00:17:00] the TV show, she has sex with both of them. Like, and in the book, I don’t think she is yet. Got it. I think it’s more, it’s more, it’s more young adult because again, these books are ya. Oh, got it. Okay. So they turn the

Todd: volume up a little bit, you know, the audience

Cathy: and I think they were able to turn it up by making her four years older.

Todd: Yeah. They fast forward. Yeah.

Cathy: So then she could be drinking, she could be having sex. You know, there was a little more like room, um, to play with. The other thing that’s different in. The books and the show is that Taylor, who is Belly’s best friend, and Steven who is Belly’s brother, have a relationship that’s pretty consistent.

Todd: Mm-hmm.

Cathy: Um, they break up a lot. There’s this whole car accident thing that they do in season three that I’m like, what?

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: Um, but they, their story is also a story that we’re following, whereas when you’re reading the books, really they just have kind of a, you know, kind of a thing in the first book. Like it’s not as big of a deal.

Cathy: Right. So they turn those characters into a bigger [00:18:00] part.

Todd: Got it. Okay. So, uh, what else do you wanna do for setting the scene?

Cathy: Um, I wanna talk about that because we are Gen Xers, that I think it’s interesting what’s happening with the parents as well. Yeah. Because we obviously watching it, yes. We can identify with our history and think about what we were doing at the age of the teenagers, you know, like we’ve been their age too.

Cathy: Yeah. So we’ve all had those experiences, but we are also looking through the lens of being the parent of these kids. So that’s Susanna and Laurel and Adam and I can’t remember Belly’s dad’s name, but. I think it’s interesting. It’s funny because Cameron, my daughter, does not love those characters and she doesn’t think their acting is really great.

Cathy: That’s

Todd: ageism.

Cathy: Yeah. And

Todd: she likes all the younger ones. She doesn’t like the grownups.

Cathy: Well, and I don’t know if, if she’s giving a perspective that a lot of people have or if it’s just her perspective, but I. Think their experience is interesting. And I like, for example, Susanna and Laurel, who have been best friends since college and just a little information from the books that you may not know is that Laurel used to date Adam in college and then she realized they [00:19:00] would not be a good fit.

Cathy: So she said you should go with Susanna. So she basically dates someone who then ends up being Susanna’s husband and then the Fisher boy’s dad. Mm-hmm. Right. So there’s so much overlap, like their history is interesting too. And then what do you do when your best friend dies? Yeah, right. You know, she ended up because Susanna and Adam had already been divorced, um, you know, Laurel ended up taking care of Susanna and helping with the estate and being in charge of the trust and everything and, and then also taking care of feeling.

Cathy: Really committed to Susanna’s children and then to taking care of belly. And there was, I just looked at it through a lens of, I think the adults are interesting too.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: In the TV show they also have Laurel, who, that is Belly and Steven’s mom that she is also divorced, but then in the TV show they kind of start to hook up again.

Cathy: Okay. She and her ex-husband. So I just enjoyed their perspective as well, even though I don’t think my daughter’s necessarily dead.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: Okay. Are we [00:20:00] ready for, uh, remember when, um, let me just look through all the things. Um, let’s see. Talking about Taylor. Um. Just as far as set the scene, and we’ll go back to this, but there’s a few, just a few things like literary lineage that it’s pulling from.

Cathy: Um, it’s got a lot of Jane Austen stuff in it. Pride and prejudice sense and sensibility. Um, some great Gatsby stuff, especially about the summer, you know, and it being such a big deal. And then this is the, the part that I think is so interesting and maybe why I like it so much, Todd, when I was a, oh, you know what?

Cathy: Let’s save this for remember when? Go ahead. Yeah. Let’s, okay, go. I remember

Todd: when

Todd: you couldn’t wait to

Cathy: love me. Um, okay. What do you got? So when I was. Much younger than my girls. I was more like 12, 13, 14. I [00:21:00] was reading these books that were called, um, wildfire and I think it was Caprice. Romances. Okay. And basically, you may remember them from the bookstore. I don’t think you ever bought them, but they would have a picture of a girl.

Cathy: Were they the, the Dungeons

Todd: and Dragons section sweetie? ’cause if they were the DD section, I read it.

Cathy: No. Okay. They would have like a, a real photo or sometimes a drawn photo of a girl and a guy, and it would be like this, all the issues that they were going through. So it was like eighties young adult.

Cathy: Yeah. Okay. And like some of them were, some of the ones that I loved. I had to look ’em up today before we came downstairs. A funny girl like me. Beautiful girl, super flirt. Just 16 dreams can come true. I’ve got a crush on you. The summer of the sky blue Bikini. Oh my God. Did

Todd: you

Cathy: read these? Yes, Todd. I didn’t just read these.

Cathy: I read them and read them and read them. Okay. Like over and over again.

Todd: Were they appropriate or were they a little bit older than, or they’re

Cathy: No, they brilliant. Did, don’t have sex and stuff. Like sometimes they’d be like, oh, we were at a party and there was a beer, you know? But [00:22:00] they were, like I said, they were more like

Todd: it was for, it was before all of the chaos of the.

Todd: Complicated teenage years. It

Cathy: was the beginning. It was the 12, 13, 14, maybe even 11. Yeah. You know, like where you’re just pre-adolescent, you’re kind of like, what’s it like to like, like a, you know, be, have a crush on somebody. And they were com as you could guess, they were completely heteronormative. Yeah.

Cathy: Like it was all about a girl liking a guy, right? Yeah. And the guy was always someone like Conrad, like brooding and, you know,

Todd: just difficult. Just Conrad a little like Dylan from Absolutely. Beverly. Beverly Hills 9 0 2 1 Oh.

Cathy: Jeremiah is Brandon.

Todd: Okay.

Cathy: And Conrad. Is Dylan. Okay. And the reason why that’s good, as an example, is ’cause Dylan’s also a good guy.

Cathy: Yeah. But he’s just more brooding and in pain and everything. Is that one of your love triangles?

Todd: Uh, no. ’cause I’d never watched that show. Oh. But I know my friend Brian, whenever we bring up Dylan, what was his last name in the show? Walsh. Dylan? No. Was Brandon Walsh.

Cathy: Oh, Dylan McKay.

Todd: No.

Cathy: Yes. That’s it. Good memory.

Todd: [00:23:00] He’s, he’s always like, cool. And he is always like not smiling and he is like, let the bridges I burn light my way. Right. Is that a, is that a very Dylan type of statement?

Cathy: I mean, I guess I don’t even know what he means, but

Todd: whatever. Well, it means he doesn’t give a shit about anybody else and that’s just gonna, um, be how I.

Cathy: Think about it. Yeah. Um, well I kind of, it’s funny ’cause I’m thinking now and I don’t, they kind of had a love triangle a little bit because of Kelly. Um, ’cause Kelly was with both of them because Brenda was with Dylan, but Brenda and Brandon were brother and sister, so that couldn’t be a love triangle.

Cathy: Yeah, right. But there was a little bit of that. So anyway, these wildfire books that I was talking about also Sweet Valley High, we uh, you know, that was about the twin girls and Sweet Valley High was a huge part of our lives in the eighties and they had kind of the same, you know, teen Summers first Love girl perspective.

Cathy: And so [00:24:00] I think part of the reason what they have found with the summer I turned pretty is that there’s a lot of women, 35 to 55 who are watching it.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: And I think that a lot of reason for that is because it just reminds us of what we read and what we enjoyed. Yeah. You know, it’s the same old stuff, but there’s something.

Cathy: Jenny Hanh is doing, she’s the writer and the producer. She’s doing just a little more than usual. Yeah. There’s more substance to it. You know what I mean?

Todd: I do. Um, I just found a little clip between Brandon and Dylan talking and I just wanna hear the voices.

Clip: Sure. Hey, the bridges I burn like the way,

Todd: oh my God.

Todd: I found it. Just

Clip: fuck it. The bridges I burn like the way dare You wanna do this? May the bridges I burn, like the way. All

Todd: right.

Cathy: Does he just say that and that’s it?

Todd: I don’t

Clip: know.

Todd: Here’s, here’s, that’s

Clip: bad. She the gut, she moved away to another continent just to get away from you. Oh, wow. Who are they talking about?

Clip: I don’t know, Dylan. At this point in time, I’m about the only friend you got. He sure you wanna do this. I mean, the bridges I burn right away. [00:25:00]

Cathy: That’s all he says in every episode.

Todd: I gotta like make that into a clip that I play every now and again. So, um, okay.

Cathy: Okay. So more in Remember when? Yeah, go ahead.

Cathy: Okay. John Hughes movies. Yeah. Okay. So it’s got that vibe. Like what, what do I mean by a John Hughes movie? You know, um, pretty in pink, 16 Candles, some kind of wonderful, they all have the same thing. They have the Love Triangle, they have the, you know, if, if it’s not summer, it’s like, you know, high school time, you know, what we’re going through.

Cathy: Um, when we’re starting our senior year or our junior year, it’s just got that same feeling to it. Sure. So I think they’re borrowing from the John Hughes movies. Um, she’s borrowing from Nicholas Sparks, you know, books and movies, the notebook, a Walk to remember. It’s got that vibe. She’s definitely borrowing from Greece.

Cathy: Um, you know, summer love kind of stuff. Like everything that Sandy and Danny go through is in the summer and then in the school year they have to figure [00:26:00] out how to keep it together. And really all you have to do is get a leather outfit and a cigarette and then you’ll be okay. That’s all you need. Um, and then Gilmore Girls, like the way that they talk to each other, the mother-daughter relationship, um, the writing, it’s got that like Gilmore Girls thing.

Cathy: And there’s also like a lot of, like I’ve seen on social media, how there’s certain scenes that seem to be modeled directly after or directly, um, from Gilmore Girls. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like there’s a scene between Dean and Rory that looks just like a scene between Conrad and Belly. Like there she’s Jenny Hannah’s dropping these things in.

Cathy: Yeah. And it’s like, do you see it like, I just noticed something the other day, something that somebody sent where. Remember the scene where, um, Conrad cuts his leg on the Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Right. It’s really kind of an intense scene between he and belly. Yeah. The way they shoot it, the way they shoot his eyes, you know, like, and hi, the, his hair is dripping wet.

Cathy: Mm-hmm. Is [00:27:00] exactly how they shoot Leonardo DiCaprio in Titanic when he’s drawing Kate Winslet, where they just show his eyes and his hair. Mm-hmm. Interesting. And so, do you see what I mean? Yeah. So for someone like me who loves that kind of pop culture, who doesn’t want anyone to spoon feed me, I like to figure these things out.

Cathy: Um, I like to, you know, or someone else spoon feeds me and I pretend that I, you know, like, oh yes, I see it too. Um, but that’s, that’s fun. Mm-hmm. And it’s smart. Yeah. Because I think it gives it that layered feel where you’re like, this is more than just what we’re watching. Um,

Clip: may the bridges I burn, like the woody.

Clip: I’m

Todd: coming, I’m coming back. I know you are. So, um, can I do my remember one? Go ahead. So when I think of being in my, I guess, early teenage years, 13 or 14,

Cathy: yes.

Todd: Um, I certainly had crushes on girls, but I certainly wasn’t gonna do anything about it. And instead, I just wanted to play dungeon dragons and wiffle ball.

Todd: That’s my remember when.

Cathy: Okay. So, um, [00:28:00] so w so when you say you weren’t gonna do anything about it, why terrifying? I, I know, but Todd, like how did you go through all of high school without wanting to like, I did want to with a girl.

Todd: I did want to. Okay. I did want to, I just wasn’t, there was too much scariness about it.

Cathy: Okay. The scariness, you gotta elaborate. Fear.

Todd: Fear of rejection. Fear of

Cathy: rejection.

Todd: Okay. Yeah, just having the courage, like, remember God, I didn’t even know. Because I went to an all boys high school, so I didn’t have a lot of practice, I guess. Okay, that’s true. So that didn’t help. Um, because we had to like step outside of our natural environment to ask a girl out on a date or whatever, right?

Todd: So it wasn’t my thing. Plus I had a lot of baggage with my parents and I thought there was, it just wasn’t comfortable admitting I had a girlfriend because I thought for some reason it was a problem if I did. Have you told your parents about me? Um, have I, have I ever?

Cathy: Yeah. Do they know about me now?

Todd: Yeah, they’re at, they’re at the wedding.

Todd: Okay,

Cathy: good, good, good. So they are

Todd: [00:29:00] aware. Good.

Cathy: Was that scary when you told them about me?

Todd: Um, I don’t remember exactly how or when. Mm-hmm. So sorry about that.

Cathy: So, I try with Todd because I am like a young love, um, appreciator and I read all these wildfire books and I watched all the John Hughes movies. I try and pull more information from Todd about what he used to think about or if, like, he, when he saw me or you know, what do you remember about this?

Cathy: Or Do you remember what was happening or why you asked me out? And he’ll be like, Nope, don’t remember. Mm-hmm. It’s like, it’s, I kind of want you to a little bit. I know

Todd: I gotta, I gotta go back in time and revisit that. Really engage it so that I can recall with clarity, but I simply don’t.

Cathy: I know, I know.

Cathy: I’m just gonna assume you were very present.

Todd: Yeah, I was in the moment. Okay. I wasn’t doing my, let’s take a picture of this so I can revisit it in 30 years.

Cathy: Yes. Well, okay. That’s fine. So let’s talk

Clip: the bridges. I burn, [00:30:00] like the way,

Cathy: let’s talk about makeover scenes. Let’s talk about a few of those. Like, um, three movies that they do, big makeovers and, and I know Belly doesn’t get a makeover per se.

Cathy: Yeah. But she does show up and look different because she takes off her glasses, she looks older, you know, she looks more like a woman, all that kind of stuff. And they really. I focus on that a lot. In the summer, I turn pretty because she starts to recognize she’s getting attention, not just from Jeremiah and Conrad, but this guy Cam.

Cathy: Cam Cameron. That’s what Jeremiah calls him. Yeah. And you know, she’s starting to have experiences where she’s like, wow, I am attractive to people. Yeah. Um, so, so do they

Todd: like try to make her look not so attractive in the early days?

Cathy: The early days? She has braces. Yeah. They do all his glasses. She’s wearing like kid outfits, you know, she just looks young.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: Um, but have you seen the movie? She’s all that.

Todd: Uh, I think so. Who’s in that?

Cathy: Um, gosh, Rachel something. I think Freddie Prince Jr. But anyway, there’s a big scene where she walks down the stairs [00:31:00] and, you know, she takes off her glasses. Yeah. You know, and that’s a whole thing. Um, the Princess Diaries, that’s what’s her name?

Cathy: Anne Hathaway. She goes from being like really frizzy haired and unattractive as if Anne Hathaway could ever be that way to being a princess. Yeah. You know, uh, clueless, uh, not Cher, but Ty. Okay. Remember they give Ty a big makeover. Um, and so, you know, Andy in Pretty and Pink, you know, when she comes out in her, the prom dress she made.

Cathy: Yeah. Which people nowadays are kind of like, do we like that prom dress? Yeah. Do you like Andy’s prom dress?

Todd: Uh, the pink

Cathy: one? Yeah. That she put together a bunch of different dresses and made it,

Todd: I just wanted to make sure they didn’t break me. That’s what she said. That

Cathy: that’s what she’s, she just make, uh, I thought it

Todd: was brave.

Todd: Let’s say that her prom dress was brave. Remember the part where she’s thinking about put, make it into a headband?

Cathy: She takes that bow and she’s like, Hmm, yeah. Not so, and we’re all like, oh, good.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: So glad you didn’t do that. So it’s a very lots of, you [00:32:00] know, influences there of makeover scenes, a lot of it being Gen X stuff.

Cathy: Um, obviously we already talked about this. Are you gonna play something?

Todd: Um, what do you Well, I found the Brady Bunch lady. I was like 30 minutes ago. I know, but Okay. Go ahead and play the Brady Bunch Chili. I don’t know if there’s a good sound clip, but I just, she’s just,

Clip: would you care for a sec before you start?

Clip: Molly?

Todd: Molly?

Clip: No. Thank you ma’am.

Todd: Molly Weber. Molly, make yourself at home. Totally shy, reserved, shut down. Um, and she’s like all covered up and got these big thick glasses on and her hair is like pulled back and all that. So anyways, nor

Cathy: would’ve known Molly.

Todd: Yeah, she would. Molly Weber is her name.

Cathy: Um, and then a few others.

Cathy: Greece we already talked about. Sandy does this big transformation and she becomes really hot. And then the two that are, uh, much older, but that, um, Jenny Hahn is definitely pulling from, is Sabrina you? Do you remember the movie Sabrina? They redid it in the nineties, but not as well, negative. Um, it’s, she comes back from Paris and she’s completely [00:33:00] different.

Cathy: And I think it’s Audrey Hepburn. Oh wow. And, um, what became you? Well, Pope, who’s, no, that’s Catherine Hepburn. Oh, sorry. We’re talking about the very elegant Audrey Hepburn, the loons. Um, and then what was the guy from Casablanca? Um, blah, blah, blah. I’m forgetting his name. Casablanca guy. Okay. Just look up Sabrina.

Cathy: ’cause I’m gonna, my brain has too many things that I wanna say, so I can’t come up with his name. Um, and they actually, their poster for the summer, I turned pretty season three. They actually used a pose that is identical to the Sabrina poster. Yeah. Okay. So they’re obviously pulling from Sabrina, you know, she’s torn between two guys.

Cathy: Mm-hmm. Um, and then my fair lady, um, Eliza Doolittle gets all this training, debutante ball, all that kind of stuff, just like belly. So again. Pulling.

Todd: Yep.

Cathy: Now did you look up Sabrina and who was in it? No, because I asked you to. I’m

Todd: still trying to find you old Poop. You old [00:34:00] poop? Uh, so what the name movie?

Todd: Sabrina?

Cathy: Yes. I just want you to tell me his name ’cause I’m gonna go crazy ’cause it’s

Todd: what, what, what decade is this movie? Just

Cathy: put in the Sabrina movie. Okay. And it will tell you Audrey Hepburn. I got it. And who else, who are the two guys? It’s pulling up. Okay. The internet is a little slow. It is. Is that why you Audrey Julia Orman.

Cathy: That’s the more new one with Harrison Ford. It doesn’t say who the guy is. My God. Sorry Todd. That’s, you need to say something while I look this up ’cause it’s gonna drive me crazy. And people who are listening right now know who it is. And is it Spencer Tracy? He’s one of ’em. And the other one is, um,

Todd: Dick Clark.

Cathy: Like

Todd: Chewbacca?

Cathy: No. Yoda perhaps. No, it’s, it’s him. It’s this guy. It’s, it’s, ugh, it’s Humphrey [00:35:00] Bogart. Bogey. Ugh. God. That took forever. That was painful. That’s my guy. That was so painful. My aunt Peg would be so upset with me.

Todd: Yes, because you know, is he the guy that says, here’s looking at you kid. He

Cathy: is. Well, I don’t think he says it.

Cathy: It’s the piano player who says it. Oh, I think that’s a misunderstanding.

Todd: Oh,

Cathy: but it’s from Casablanca, but so anyway, one

Todd: on like an old movie like Casablanca. I’ve never seen Casablanca. Really? Never seen it.

Cathy: Okay, so one last thing.

Clip: He is looking at you kid.

Cathy: Or maybe that is Humphrey Bogart. That’s

Todd: Humphrey for sure.

Cathy: Okay. Maybe I’m wrong

Clip: that it. He is looking at you kid.

Todd: What does that mean? Here’s looking at you kid, like he’s toasting.

Cathy: Yeah. Here’s your like, you’re beautiful. Yeah. I look at you.

Todd: So the next time, uh, I’m drinking Red Bull Vodkas and you’re drinking Aspir and vi and yeah, like, uh, I’m gonna say, here’s looking at you kid.

Cathy: Okay. And I’ll know it’s referencing Humphrey Bogart. That’s right. And I’ll pull up his name much easier than I just did. Okay, last thing, last thing. This should probably all go into random facts, but it’s under remember when, because it’s so important to me. Okay. Okay. The TV [00:36:00] mini series, the Thornbirds.

Todd: Okay. Never seen it, but I’ve heard of it. Oh my

Cathy: God. Do you know how important that show was to me? Again? Probably another reason why I love the summer. I turned pretty, nobody has referenced the Thornbirds. In the summer. I turn pretty because it’s about a woman who’s in love with a priest. Okay. So it’s a little different, but.

Cathy: It has that similar thing that Maggie, so Father Desar is very helpful to this family that, you know, they live in Australia or whatever, and he, and there’s a little girl that he takes care of because she’s the only daughter and nobody cares about her. So the boys are res, are loved by the mom and dad, but nobody cares about the girl.

Cathy: So this priest loves her as a little girl. Well guess what? She grows up. And then there is this scene at a, this party that, um, her family has where Maggie walks down the stairs and she’s in this beautiful pink dress and she’s so beautiful and Father de Briar is like, oh my God. Right? Yeah. So, you know, and she loves him for sure, even though it’s a little [00:37:00] weird.

Cathy: ’cause he was like a father figure, you know, it’s not really great, but he wants to treat her like a child, but now he can’t. So again, you know, the. It’s got that she adored him, just like belly adored Conrad, all that kind of stuff. Um, but he’s a priest, you know, so, but what ends up happening is there is somewhat of a love triangle between Maggie and this guy.

Cathy: She marries named Luke, who is played by um, the guy from Cocktail

Clip: Lin’s Law. Hoglin. Anything else is always something there.

Cathy: Yeah. And Rachel Ward and that guy, Brian, whatever, they end up getting married in real life after the Thornburg. Oh, that’s sweet. A little pop culture. So, but she marries Luke and she has two kids named Justine and Dane.

Cathy: And the reason why I’m saying that is those were two names that I suggested for our children. And you said, no, Justine

Todd: and Dane. Dane Dane. True. We didn’t have

Cathy: any sons, but it was, you could Dane

Todd: Cook. No, I

Cathy: know, but I really liked those days. Justine’s not too bad.

Todd: I’d go for Justine.

Cathy: That’s what I wanted to name Cameron.

Cathy: [00:38:00] Um,

Todd: no, I didn’t wanna go to the JJs. You didn’t

Cathy: wanna do another J So anyway, but I got them from, from the Thornbirds. So then, um, there is, you know, she’s in the triangle. She’s married to Luke. She loves Father Luke is abusive though, so he’s bad. But anyway, so I just felt it was very like Thorn bird esque and the whole Maggie glow up just like, you know, belly.

Cathy: And

Todd: so I’m always scared to play the sound bite. Stay

Clip: on

Todd: target.

Cathy: Anybody who likes the thornbirds enjoyed that. Two minutes. I think

Todd: people like your weird references. I honestly think it’s fine. I, I think it’s a good part of the show, but I just can’t not,

Cathy: well, I, for me as again, this being a Gen X reflection on that’s, we’re talking about the whole point.

Cathy: This is what it reminds

Todd: me if we’re just talking about Conrad Jeremiah belly. Yeah. It’s like, it’s a snooze fest. Leto. Let’s talk about Coghlan’s law.

Cathy: Let’s talk

Todd: about cocktail. Are we ready to go to random facts? Oh, we’re ready here.

Clip: Do you know the human head weighs eight pounds here? Do you know the human head [00:39:00] weighs eight pounds?

Todd: Uh, I got nothing for random facts.

Cathy: Okay, so this is gonna be a fun part. I think you’ll appreciate this. Okay. Okay. So I was already talking about those are all the things that inspired, right? Mm-hmm. We’ve already talked about that. And remember when? Now let’s talk about some things that are really interesting in the show to look out for.

Cathy: Okay, Conrad? He’s represented by the color red. By the ocean. Okay. So if you watch the show, huh? He, when she is thinking about Conrad, she tends to wear red. Oh, okay. When she is with Jeremiah. Mm-hmm. His color is blue. Mm. And he’s represented by the pool.

Todd: Oh, okay. So a little bit less deep.

Cathy: Correct.

Todd: Because an ocean is deeper than a pool.

Todd: So

Cathy: now think about the show. Okay. And where do she and Conrad have all their conversations? The beach and the ocean. Where do she and Jeremiah have all of their conversations? The pool. In the pool. So the pool is safer. It’s fun. Oh, I like that. Okay. It’s, it’s [00:40:00] home. Yeah. Right. The ocean is more mysterious.

Cathy: Yeah. It’s vast. It’s unpredictable. Yeah. It’s bigger. Yeah. Okay. And then plus there are a lot of scenes where belly is wearing purple. Oh. Which is the mixture of the blue and the red. Interesting. She’s conflicted. Okay. You know, like there’s a scene in season three. I’ll just throw that one out right now, where she’s wearing this like.

Cathy: Swimsuit, this bikini that is both purple and red. And then Jeremiah hands her a towel that is purple and red because Conrad is called, you mean Blue and red? I’m sorry. I’m sorry. That’s okay. Blue and Red’s. Okay. Yeah. Okay, so she’s wearing, and actually there’s purple in it too, but you know what I mean?

Cathy: Yeah. It’s blue and red. That’s kind purple. That’s

Todd: cool. I, I, I could have watched that show for 10 years and not figured that out.

Cathy: Right. Um, and so, and so that in itself. If you go back and watch it right now, you’d be like, oh, she and Jeremiah like their fir, Jeremiah, and Belly’s first kiss is in the pool the first time they hold hands.

Cathy: The first time he tells her he cares about her all in the pool. The first time she kisses Conrad is on the beach the first time. They have that deep talk where he says, I love you [00:41:00] all their, you know, all their connection is in the ocean.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: Okay. So that’s kind of a fun. Yeah, that’s, I like that one.

Cathy: Right. So anyway, so that’s some depth. Now let’s do the top 10 love triangles in pop culture.

Todd: Um, I didn’t do 10, I think I only did five, but that’s okay.

Cathy: I’m gonna let you go first and then I’ll fill it in. So start with number five. Do you have a drum roll?

Todd: Um, I do have a drum roll. Okay. And it is, where is my drum roll?

Todd: I need to put it on a different board. Um. And which one are we? We’re doing love triangles, I think.

Cathy: Love Top 10 Love triangles in pop culture. So random facts around, around Love triangles. So I have 10. You have five? So you do your five, three.

Todd: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. I got six.

Cathy: Okay.

Todd: I’m gonna start with number six.

Todd: Okay. Let’s

Cathy: hear it.

Todd: I think,

Cathy: I

Todd: think I’m gonna be kinda weak in this whole category, but I’m gonna say it anyways. Uh, Kaus, pita, and Gail. No, that’s great. Oh good. Yeah, that’s on my list. That’s from Hunger Games everybody. And Todd

Cathy: says he’s team Gail and he’s [00:42:00] not.

Todd: Um, yes, I’m team Gail, just so everybody knows.

Todd: Um, then we got a little bit, I’m gonna go and throw in Belly Conrad and Jeremiah at number five. Okay. Oh,

Cathy: Avi,

Todd: because I’ve only seen a little bit of it. Okay. Um, then I’m heading on over to, uh, the Dracula movies that you like so much, which, can you say what they’re called? Twilight. Okay. And that’s Bella, Edward and Jacob?

Todd: Correct. Um, and then I’m heading on over to Dawson’s Creek. Okay, great. We got Joey Pacey and Dawson. Yes. And

Cathy: are you a Dawson or a Pacey person?

Todd: Um, I don’t, I never really watched that show. Well, but I’ll tell you something. I think he was, she was with Dawson in the beginning and she finished with Pacey, correct?

Todd: Right. Pacey is, I’m a Pacey person. Aren’t most people in the I think

Cathy: so. But you seem to be like the contrarian. Yeah, I always go the other way. Yes.

Todd: It’s just, it’s, it’s boring to say you’re a team Conrad. Okay, everybody said um, now I’m heading on over [00:43:00] to, uh, pretty and Pink. Okay. You got Andy Ducky and Blaine very

Cathy: good.

Cathy: Mm-hmm.

Todd: And then I think I only have one more and it’s Carrie Big and Aiden. I know and Todd is an

Cathy: Aiden person.

Todd: Oh. I’m a big time Aiden person. Even though

Cathy: if you would’ve watched him just like that, you might have dumped Aiden.

Todd: Uh, I, yes. I’m glad I didn’t watch that. Mm-hmm. Because, uh, I don’t like it when people mess with my guy.

Cathy: Yeah. I understand why you liked Aiden, but I think, well, we’re not, we’ll talk about sex in the city at another time. Can I

Todd: just play a little bit of clip? Sure. You’re right.

Clip: He’s not like the other city.

Clip: If you don’t go to him now, I’m never gonna take you to another prompter again. You hear me?

Todd: Quick, random fact. Uh, ke I always wanna call him Kevin. Andrew McCarthy looks like an idiot in that scene because he is wearing a wig. He sure is because they shaved his head because they, not

Cathy: they, but the other place.

Todd: Well, yeah, he was doing a different [00:44:00] movie and they had to reshoot that scene. Yeah. ’cause they realized it would’ve been better with him. Go, Andy. Going with, um. So

Cathy: test audiences did not like that. Andy ended up with Ducky because she and John Crier had a good friendship thing going on, but they nobody found chemistry.

Cathy: Romantic Chemistry. And a little deeper cut is that Robert Downey Jr. Was supposed to play Ducky, so we may have been more into their love affair, but because they didn’t really have that chemistry, they re-shot that end scene. And like Todd said, uh, Blaine looks a little, uh, wigged up.

Todd: Now I’m heading over to Twilight and there’s a scene where belly’s in a tent and it’s cold

Cathy: belly or Bella.

Todd: Sorry. Bella. Same thing. She’s so cold. And then the werewolf guy, it’s freezing. Duh. Relax. No, warm up Soon.

Cathy: You’ll run up

Todd: fast if you took your clothes off. Oh. Oh. [00:45:00] Jacob. Jacob let’s I all one ones. Yeah. Duh. Um, and we know what team you were on, sweetie. Duh. Edward, I think Edward is one of your favorite romantic male leads of all time.

Todd: Correct? True or not true?

Cathy: Correct. I have an Edward doll in our bathroom.

Todd: That’s awesome. Uh,

Cathy: he’s a figure, he’s a action figure.

Todd: And then just a little bit of Dawson.

Clip: Well, that matters right now is what you want. That’s all. You know what I want, Daws? Yes, you do.

Clip: You want him?

Cathy: Aw Dawson.

Clip: You want him like, I want you, you, you love him. Like, I love you. The difference is he loves you back the same way.

Todd: Oh, well that’s, that’s good math right there. That’s

Cathy: good. So let me finish with mine. Okay.

Todd: Okay. Um, my, I was gonna play a part with Carrie Big and Aiden, but that’s all right.

Todd: I’ll, I’ll cue it up.

Cathy: Cue it up. And after I’m done with Mike, ’cause you, [00:46:00] you did five and I have 10. The ones that you were missing were Archie and Betty and Veronica. Love triangle.

Todd: What about Jughead?

Cathy: Uh, I have, was Jughead with Betty and Veronica? The, the,

Todd: are you talking about Riverdale or are you talking I’m

Cathy: talking about Archie comics.

Cathy: Archie comics.

Todd: That’s

Cathy: good. Riverdale. Yeah. I mean, it could be Riverdale. Yeah.

Todd: I read Archie religiously. And you’re right. Jughead. I don’t think he had much, uh, sexual drive, but Archie and Betty

Cathy: was like, wholesome and then Veronica was glamorous. Yes. You know, um, that’s a good one. I like that one. Okay. Um, I’m gonna do, uh, gone with the Wind.

Cathy: Um, I’m gonna do Scarlet Ashley and Rhett. Okay.

Todd: I gotta, I gotta watch that movie.

Cathy: Oh God. Todd,

Todd: I’ve been busy for the last 54 years.

Cathy: Okay. I’m gonna do, uh, go back to Jane Austen and do Pride and Prejudice, Elizabeth, Darcy and Wickham.

Todd: Okay.

Cathy: Okay. So that’s pretty big. And then based off of, we all know that the Bridget Jones Diaries mm-hmm.

Cathy: Or j Bridget Jones. [00:47:00] Diary was, um. Like inspired by Jane Austen and Pride and Prejudice. Right. And so for her it was Bridget, mark, Darcy, and Daniel Cleaver. Okay. That was Hugh Grant and Colin Firth. Okay. So that’s another one. And then Vampire Diaries, but I didn’t watch it, so I feel like I’m a poser doing that one.

Cathy: Um, and then that’s it. Those are the love triangles. Oh, and did you have

Todd: Aiden?

Cathy: I did, but I didn’t reread what you read. Yeah, I got it. I got it. Aiden Shop.

Clip: Hey. Wow. Great stuff. Oh, thanks, man. Oak. Actually, it’s mostly Maple there. We were mostly Maple and incredibly uncomfortable. Sorry, I didn’t get your names.

Clip: Oh, I love Aiden.

Cathy: So that scene right there. Yeah. I remember that episode and I read in Entertainment Weekly that, um, Sarah Jessica Parker was like, we have to be so creative when anyone, when we have to introduce big to anyone. ’cause [00:48:00] nobody knew Big’s name. Oh, interesting. Okay. So when Aiden says, um, but I didn’t get your name.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: To keep them from having to say his name. She spills coffee.

Todd: Oh, like it,

Cathy: yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. Remember? So they get distracted ’cause we don’t know big’s name until the very last episode of Sex in the City

Todd: and which is great. She looks it up on his phone. On her phone and

Cathy: there it is. There it is.

Todd: Um, that was fun.

Todd: I liked going down that memory lane of, uh, blood triangles.

Cathy: Okay. So, um, can I say one more thing? Sure babe. About the difference between those love triangles and, um, eighties love triangles. Okay. You’ve mentioned some of them. Okay. But I’ll just go six to one. Okay. Number six. Um, this is a weird love triangle, but it kind of is okay in say anything Uhhuh.

Cathy: Lloyd. Oh yeah. Yeah. And the dad. And the dad for sure. And, um, Diane. Yeah. Because she’s pulled between the two of ’em. Yeah. Even though one is her father and one is romantic. Number five. This is also kind of weird, but just hear me out. Sloane [00:49:00] Ferris and Cameron. Uh, a little bit. A little bit. I’m okay with that.

Cathy: Okay. It’s not a direct triangle, but there’s kind of undertones. Yeah. Like, you know, who’s being pulled where? Number four. This is totally random. Um, dirty dancing baby Johnny and Robbie.

Todd: Uh, who’s Robbie?

Cathy: Robbie’s the one who ends up getting Penny pregnant, but he also like asks uh, baby out. Huh? Remember?

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: They want her. No, no. That’s not right. I think Robbie’s with her, with Lisa?

Todd: Yeah, I think so

Cathy: too. Okay. So forget that one. I’m

Cathy: no one.

Clip: Nobody could stay me in the corner.

Cathy: Hell no. So forget that one. I just crossed it out. Um. Number three. Samantha, Jake and Farmer. Ted. Uh, 16 Candles. Samantha, Jake. Okay. All right. Like Farmer, Ted wants to be with her. Yeah. And

Todd: she gives him her underwear. No, Samantha likes [00:50:00] Jake Farmer. Teds like Samantha.

Todd: Samantha, and Jake likes Samantha. Samantha, right.

Cathy: So it’s, it’s not a perfect triangle, but do you see how we, we, well, it’s the same

Todd: as Pacey, Joey and Dawson a little bit. Two people love each other. Pacey and Joey. Samantha and Jake. And then you got these outsiders like Farmer, Ted and, and Dawson kind of.

Todd: But I

Cathy: think the difference with Dawson’s Creek is that Pacey always loved, or excuse me, um, what’s her name? Um,

Todd: pc. Oh, Joey.

Cathy: Joey always loved Dawson. So the show begins with Joey and Dawson and Dawson’s kind of aloof. And Joey loves Dawson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she shifts.

Todd: Yeah. Yeah.

Cathy: So it’s a little different.

Cathy: So it’s kind of her

Todd: love for sure. Triangle, you know what I mean? Well, and there’s something easy about liking your buddy’s girlfriend because there’s no pressure.

Cathy: That’s the Cameron, Ferris Sloan thing.

Todd: Yeah. You know? Well, I don’t think Cameron likes Sloan, do you? Well,

Cathy: I mean, maybe not.

Todd: I mean, I’m sure he’s physically, I’m guessing he’s physically attracted to her, but I don’t know if he like really wants to, like with her, [00:51:00] if they weren’t dating, I don’t think he would.

Cathy: Could just be best friends. I believe in platonic stuff like that. Yeah, sure. Um, but yeah, it is easy. Like for example, in Love, actually remember the two best friends at the, it begins with a wedding, and the best friend loves Kira Knightly. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he brings, you know, yeah, that’s good. He tells her that he loves her.

Cathy: Okay. The last two are that movie. Yes. Great movie. Um, Keith, Amanda and Watts in some kind of wonderful.

Todd: That’s so good. Um, that’s just such a dumb movie. I’ve watched it A million. It’s a dumb movie. It’s

Cathy: pretty in pink. We already talked about this. It’s the exact same thing as Pretty in Pink, but Keith ends up with Watts.

Cathy: Yes. Okay. And then number one, you already said Andy Blaine and Ducky. So those are all the eighties. So this love triangle thing. Mm-hmm. It’s not new.

Todd: No,

Cathy: it’s not new.

Todd: It’s as old as something that’s really old, sweetie.

Cathy: And so Todd, this is the last thing I’ll say. If you’re a Conrad girl, which I am, you’re an Edward Cullen girl.

Cathy: Yeah. You’re a [00:52:00] Pacey Witter girl. Yeah. You’re a Mr. Darcy girl. Yeah. You’re a Jess Mariano girl. I think before I said Dean and um,

Todd: I was gonna correct you, but I decided not to. And

Cathy: I think I meant Jess. So anyone who’s a Gilmore Girls fan. I’m sorry, I said Dean. I meant Jess. Um, you are a Noah Calhoun girl.

Cathy: That’s the notebook. So that’s Ryan Gosling. Remember in the Notebook? Well, who’s the third wheel? That’s James Marston. Oh yeah. I gotta watch that for you again. Um, if you’re a Conrad girl, you’re also a RET

Todd: Butler girl. Mm-hmm.

Cathy: See, it’s all kind of the same vibe. I, there’s

Todd: the, there’s the one that is the most attractive, not just physically, but there’s an obvious heart-centered choice.

Cathy: Correct. And then there’s the safer choice, like in the Notebook, it would’ve been easier for her to be with James Marsden. He was safe, he had money. It would’ve kept her connected to her family. She could have had all these things she wanted, but she didn’t love him. She loved Noah.

Todd: Is James Marsden the guy that was in the jury duty TV show?

Todd: Correct. Yes. God, I love that guy. And he was an [00:53:00] enchanted. You guys wanna laugh? What was the name of that documentary? Jury

Cathy: duty.

Todd: Is it called Jury Duty? Mm-hmm. Just, just dial it up. It’s awesome. On Amazon, I think.

Cathy: Yeah. Yeah. But he’s really good and he’s in paradise right now. Yeah, he’s, and I think he got nominated for an Emmy.

Cathy: Good, good. So I like that dude. Speaking of, sorry, just a little side note, just, uh, between Todd and I just pretend you guys keep yourselves busy for a second. Um, and hacks. Julian Nichols, who plays dance mom. Oh yeah. She wanted Emmy, uh, last night. Oh good. Yeah. Oh, she did? Because they do these Emmys before the Emmy.

Cathy: Yeah. And she won the pre Emmy. Yeah, the pre Emmys. Yeah. Whatever. Okay. So WTF you ready? Uh, let’s do

Todd: that. Let me head over here.

Clip: Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got outta hand fast. It jumped up a notch. It did, didn’t it? What do you got?

Cathy: Okay, so I’m gonna kind of go back to all the cool symbolism.

Cathy: Mm-hmm. Um, or things that we’re supposed to catch. So this is where I’m gonna talk about under WTF, all the Easter eggs. So Todd, did you [00:54:00] see the episode where Conrad and Belly are in cousins for Christmas and they’re not supposed to be there together? And she ends up not telling Jeremiah that she’s there, which is why he gets mad, goes to Cabo and then sleeps with, uh, Lacey.

Cathy: Barone

Todd: didn’t watch any of that.

Cathy: Okay. So she is in, um, so at Christmastime she and Conrad are there at cousins. He leaves early and she looks at a crossword puzzle where he left a note and. If you look at the crossword puzzle, one of the clues is PS I Love You, which is, um, should be the word still, which is one of Jenny Han’s other books.

Cathy: So that’s one of the clues. Oh, nice. And also if when they pull back from the, the, the camera paper,

Todd: yeah.

Cathy: You can see the paper. It, it makes the Infinity symbol.

Todd: Mm-hmm.

Cathy: Which is, that’s the symbol between Conrad and Belly. Oh, okay. So, um, also Belly in her dorm room at college. She has a bye-bye Birdie poster, which is a movie that [00:55:00] she used to watch with her mom all the time.

Cathy: It’s a musical. And the, the, uh, namesake in Byebye Birdie is Conrad Conrad Birdie. Okay. So, you know, again, another connection. And then she also has a Sabrina poster, which we’ve already talked about, is Spencer Tracy. Um, Audrey Hepburn and Humphrey Bogart. I pulled it up. You got

Todd: it. Good job, babe.

Cathy: Okay, so we already talked about the red and blue symbolism, right?

Cathy: So you already got that. Yeah, they’re, whatever she’s wearing. Um, the infinity crossword, we already got that. There’s some really like deep cut, like for example, when she’s shopping for a wedding dress, when belly shopping for a wedding dress, she’s getting married to Jeremiah. She runs across a lavender dress and she kind of stops on it because she wore a lavender dress to prom and Conrad trick her to prom.

Cathy: But that’s when they broke up. Um, and there’s also like, there’s, this is a really deep cut. I did not see this in a restaurant that she’s in, there’s a advertising, a band, it’s called Polar Bear Blues Band. Okay. And it’s in the background [00:56:00] and there’s this polar bear connection between Belly and Conrad.

Cathy: ’cause he won her a bear at the fair. Okay. All right. I would’ve never found that somebody else found that. But that’s a deep cut. Okay. Beautiful. Um, let’s see. So just real quick about Jenny Hahn, because I think she’s the writer and obviously the producer, as I’ve said a million times. She was born in 1980, so she’s a Gen Xer, right?

Cathy: Yeah. Uh, yeah, probably, probably Late Gen Xer. A late Gen Xer. Yeah. So that’s, you know, shapes a lot of her storytelling. DNA, um, so, or you know, younger, or I should say older millennials and Gen X, it’s right on that cusp. So, um, I don’t really wanna talk about her anymore. I don’t wanna talk about my flair, sweetie.

Cathy: I don’t wanna talk about my flair. Um, okay. But I will say this, the reason I brought this up, I’m reading my notes and why I wrote this down, is because some of the music she uses, I know we’ve already talked about that in the show, she uses so much Taylor Swift. Mm-hmm. But she also uses so much Gen X music, like in the first.

Cathy: [00:57:00] Scene when Belly shows up at Cousins. She plays Kids in America by Kim Wild. Yep. Which is like a total Gen X song, which makes me laugh so hard because every time it comes on, I always say to whoever I’m with, we were those kids. Yeah. And I’m 54, like, you know, do you know that song? Uh, no. Do you wanna pull it up?

Cathy: Uh, what’s the name of it? Kids in America by Kim.

Todd: Wild Kids in America. I can do that. Kids Beginning, middle doesn’t matter. Uh, it doesn’t just kind of go into the middle and I’ve probably heard of it. Of course you have. I don’t know. Uh, let’s, uh, let’s see what happens here.

Clip: Check on your watch. Not another thing.

Todd: Just screams eighties music.

Cathy: I know. And so that’s what I mean. It like sets the tone. We’re the kids in America, right? Yeah. Right now in this time these are the kids we’re looking at. Yeah. But we have looked at a million versions of these same kids. Yep. So let’s do another list.

Todd: Yeah, I’m ready. Okay, let’s do it.

Todd: So this is [00:58:00] called, this list is called Best Use of Songs in any movie or TV show. Ooh, this is deep. Yeah. Okay.

Cathy: So everybody, this isn’t really about the summer I turned pretty. This is about, this is just an

Todd: indulgent

Cathy: thing that do an indulgent thing. The five, I called it The five best song drops in any TV or movie.

Todd: I have seven. Wow. Are you ready?

Cathy: Okay. That’s not fair. I

Todd: know. Okay. I do that. So I’m gonna let you That’s right, do it. Um, so I’m gonna just play a little bit of the song and then you tell me what movie it’s from

Cathy: and are you going 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, or are you going

Todd: seven seven through one?

Cathy: Wait. Seven. Yeah. Boy, you already said that.

Cathy: You

Todd: wanna go first?

Cathy: No, you go.

Todd: Okay, here we go.

Cathy: Seven. Well, to the right here. I’m second. What

Todd: movie?

Cathy: I don’t remember.

Todd: Wow. Um, fro Dogs?

Cathy: No, see, I don’t know that movie.

Todd: Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. So that’s number seven. Okay. Number. And why is

Cathy: that a good sound drop?

Todd: Um, because of what happens in that scene. Okay. See, I [00:59:00] don’t know.

Todd: So somebody loses an ear.

Cathy: Oh, I’ve seen that scene. Michael. He kind of dances around him. Like Manson? Yeah. Okay.

Clip: Easy

Cathy: Waynes World. Wayne’s World. Wayne’s World part time. Excellent. And that’s a good sound drop because they fought for that song. First of all, they, the producers wanted to use another one and it sets the tone for it being funny and also kind of deep.

Todd: Are you ready for this one? Yes.

Clip: Sh

Clip: a little shit. It Pretty girl.

Todd: Probably the creepiest scene in movie history. It’s

Cathy: such a great song, but now it’s not a

Todd: great song

Cathy: whenever anyone, it’s terrifying. It’s, well now it is. Whenever anyone plays it on TikTok, it’s always, there’s some crazy going on.

Todd: Headache. Um, all right, you ready for my next one? Okay. All right.

Clip: Chin [01:00:00] knows

Todd: this. I can’t believe this was my number one.

Cathy: I know. It’s incredible. So, uh, almost

Todd: famous. Uh, very good. And I wish I had all years queued up. Um, this is obvious.

Cathy: Pause.

Todd: When they filmed that scene, they did not use this song. They did not. They didn’t know what song they were gonna get. You’re right. And what’s the movie, sweetie? Say? Anything, Lloyd Dabbler. All right. All right. Number two,

Todd: there’s a song that most defines a band, like, I can’t think of a single other. I know they had other good music, but I can’t think of this band without thinking about this song.

Cathy: Let me take it up a notch. This song defines our generation.

Todd: Yes,

Cathy: it is a, it is every, [01:01:00] it’s Gen X.

Todd: It was my number one. Okay. That I moved it back to number two.

Todd: Okay, let’s hear

Cathy: it.

Todd: I could not have, number one, I call

Cathy: Bow. Why? This is not a song. This is a theme.

Todd: Sweetie, it’s a song we’re

Cathy: talking about dropping a song. Yeah. That has nothing to do with the show or movie. Oh my

Todd: God. It has everything to show. I

Cathy: know, but that was written for Rocky, so I don’t think it works.

Todd: I don’t think you work.

Cathy: Okay. Are you ready for mine? I’m

Todd: ready.

Cathy: Okay. So mine are a little more, I don’t wanna, I don’t know if I should say obscure, but I tried not to be super obvious.

Todd: I was totally obvious.

Cathy: These are the ones that are most meaningful to me. Okay. So number five. It’s the, um, the very last episode of Sex in the City.

Cathy: Mm-hmm. It’s the very, it’s the closing scene, Uhhuh. It’s a song called You’ve Got the Love by Kandy Stanton. And, um, [01:02:00] I’ve just never cried so hard at the end of a TV show, and so I just always remembered the song. You’ve got the look

Cathy: and I have kept this song on. Many of the playlists. The

Todd: reason you cried sweetie, is ’cause you were losing your friends.

Cathy: Well and the song just was perfect. Yeah. Like it’s powerful and strong, but it’s got that like, it’s sad at the same time. It was perfect. Okay. Number four is from the movie Valley Girl.

Cathy: Mm-hmm. It’s a, a montage to melt with you.

Todd: Oh, okay. Melt with you. Is that American English or something like modern eng, modern

Cathy: English. Oh, stuff. And they started right at the very beginning of the song. So like, this is the beginning of the montage.

Cathy: Randy,

Cathy: you know what, that was a love triangle too, between the three of them. Debra Foreman and [01:03:00] um, Nicholas Cage, and then her boyfriend. Oh, who was the, the bad guy? The prom king guy. Okay. So the third one, I’m gonna have to set the scene a little bit.

Todd: Okay. So can you gimme the name so I can pull it up? Um, or is that giving it away and not setting it?

Todd: You

Cathy: can and I’ll write it down ’cause I wanna set the scene.

Todd: Okay. So he is gonna write it down for me. Uh,

Cathy: okay. Okay. That’s the song.

Todd: Okay.

Cathy: Okay. And the reason that I chose it is because Todd and I, we watched the movie or they show the Americans. Yeah. And we worked really hard to watch this show. Oh yeah.

Cathy: It is such a good show, so please don’t get me wrong, but it is kind of a labor of love. Yeah. You’ve got to be willing to watch a lot of killing and a lot, you know, I’m sure everybody feels that way when they watch Sopranos and Breaking Bad, but there’s this one episode or a few episodes around the main guy, Matthew Rice.

Cathy: And he is trying to get this girl ju the girl who’s in weapons, I can’t [01:04:00] remember her name. No idea. She’s also in, um, Ozark, the one with the curly blonde hair. Yeah. You’re

Todd: talking about it. I got no idea. He’s

Cathy: almost, she’s like a kid. Yeah. In the Americans, but he needs to like seduce her.

Todd: Mm-hmm.

Cathy: And he gives her an album by Yaz.

Cathy: Mm-hmm. Called Upstairs at Eric’s, which I had when I was young too, is huge. They’re actually called Yazoo in um, uk, but they’re called Yaz here in America. And so they play the song only you kind of like, that’s their song, Uhhuh. ’cause it’s from that album. But then there’s this scene where he has to run and he’s being chased and they play this song from this album.

Cathy: Is this it? Yes. And it’s so. Such a great song drop like, ’cause that’s what we’re talking about, right? Because like you’ve been kind of, this album means something. It’s another song that they’ve been using, but then when he needs to run, they pull this out.

Todd: All right. It’s a good [01:05:00] drop. I believe it. And you are definitely, um, a more, um, introspective on these choices.

Cathy: Well, I’ve written them down ’cause I journal things. So I wrote that down a long time ago. I’m like, that was so cool. These a fan of yas. These

Todd: are the types of things that sweetie journals about.

Cathy: Okay. The last one or no, I’ve two more. The second one is such a good song Drop that Todd and I used this song at our wedding.

Cathy: Oh, and it’s from Star Wars theme? No. Oh, we did use that. It’s Bittersweet Symphony. Oh yeah. Um, and it was from the movie Cruel Intentions, and it was this great scene at the end where Sarah Jessica Geller, is that her name? No, not Jessica. Sarah Michelle. Sarah Michelle Geller. That’s Sarah. Jessica’s another Sarah, where she gets totally busted for being an awful person.

Cathy: And then it’s all in slow motion. And then Reese Witherspoon drives off with, uh. You know, her guy’s car. I can’t remember Sebastian’s car. Yeah. Wow. And it’s all in slow motion. And they play this song the whole time.[01:06:00]

Todd: Yeah. There’s something special about this song. I can’t And, and what’s good about it’s, you can’t put your finger on it. It’s just,

Cathy: it’s perfect. Yeah. And again, that’s why I like this category. I get so deep about it. ’cause there are so many good song drops. Yeah. But there’s some that fits so well. Yeah.

Cathy: That you’re like, and then this one is my absolute favorite of all time.

Todd: Can’t be as good as Rocky Sweetie.

Cathy: It is from the very beloved movie, Twilight Uhhuh. And it is during the baseball scene. Oh boy. And it’s called Super Massive Back Black Hole by Muse.

Todd: Okay, let’s, let’s hear what this song’s all about.

Todd: As soon as my internet kicks in.

Cathy: The baseball scene. That’s all you have to say to Twilight fans.

Todd: Yeah. Do you know what I’m

Cathy: talking about with the baseball scene? I remember that

Todd: scene. It’s like cloudy and they’re playing [01:07:00] baseball and they’re just,

Cathy: you like the song went off way too quickly. Thank you Judy. I

Todd: played for like two seconds on my song

Cathy: Mine about it.

Cathy: So anyway, those are my best song drops taken from my journal. Are we done?

Todd: Yeah. I just wanted to play more rocky to annoy you, but I’m not going, but I already,

Cathy: okay, so we are, um, moving on, right? You gotta go to yoga

Todd: soon, by the way.

Cathy: What time is it? It’s

Todd: 1136 yo. Yeah.

Cathy: Okay. Well we’re gonna skip over a lot of things ’cause I have like, I have 14 pages here.

Todd: Yikes.

Cathy: I know. So let’s just do a very, very brief, like three minute rolling in the deep.

Cathy: Okay, I’m gonna mix this with parenting. Todd and I really need to, I need to go to yoga. So this is rolling in the deep with parenting. And Todd, [01:08:00] if you have anything you wanna add, go ahead. I got nothing. Okay. Some lessons let kids grow into themselves. Yep. Even if it’s uncomfortable for you as a parent, there’s a lot of that in this.

Cathy: You know, Laurel doesn’t want belly to get married. Uh, Susanna is kind of micromanaging what’s going on with Conrad and Jeremiah. There’s a lot of like other family members pulling at them. But you’ve gotta let your kids do what they wanna do. And I will say that Todd and I just dropped off. Yeah. Our daughter at the airport, she’s going to South America for two and a half months.

Cathy: And so that’s not easy. Right. But our kids need to go do what they need to do, um, or give it some claps instead. Okay. Because it is sad, but it’s also. Fantastic.

Todd: It’s happy, sad. It’s

Cathy: happy, sad. So the next one is the importance of friendship in this show. Friendship, especially in the teenage years and in the twenties, is just as formative as romantic relationships.

Cathy: Yeah. And I know you would agree ’cause your whole life was your friendships. For sure. Um, and for me too, like my [01:09:00] family, um, we then the next one is as adults, we need to model how to handle change in loss. It, one of the big themes of this is this show the summer, I turned pretty after Susanna dies. People don’t do great with their grief and the adults aren’t very helpful to the kids.

Cathy: I mean, I think Laurel’s doing her best. That’s Belly’s mom. But everyone’s kind of left to handle their own grief. Yeah. So we have to do better role modeling it. Um, and then let you know, the final one is let kids hold some complexity. Just like you just played the, you know, sad and then happy that some things are good and bad at the same time.

Cathy: Some things are paradoxical, you know, these are things that are. We, we try and like work things out with our kids, like, this is the right choice, this is a good thing to do, when really most things in life are gonna be kind of messy. Oh yeah. Just like loving Jeremiah and Conrad, you know, that is as crazy as that is.

Cathy: And we’ve got a lot of belly haters out there. A lot of people don’t like belly and they think she’s awful, but it, it, that’s makes sense. [01:10:00] It just seems very real belly. Seems very real. Do you want the safety of the pool? Yeah. Who doesn’t? Or do you want the mystery of the ocean? Yeah. Who doesn’t? We all want both and so, you know, so anyway.

Cathy: Yeah. So Todd, we can just move to music game.

Todd: Um, well, I, I, I don’t have a good answer for music game. I’m, I’m feeling bad. I feel like you’re gonna make fun of my song,

Cathy: honey. I promise I won’t.

Todd: Oh, okay. You, you play yours. All right. So I’m gonna go ahead and play mine. You have my hot and so, oh, it’s just a little too obvious.

Todd: Okay. That’s all right. Um, but I don’t want it in Spanish. I actually pulled it up in Spanish. Well,

Cathy: maybe that would make it more interesting.

Todd: It, it probably would be.

Cathy: Sure. You know, they use this in the show.

Todd: Uh, it does not surprise me.

Cathy: Yeah. It’s when she and, um, Conrad are fighting

Todd: Bono looks, bono looks so sexy in this video.

Todd: He’s got that hair pulled all the way back, like greased back.

Cathy: Yeah. [01:11:00] This is like bono’s, like prime, no doubt. Good looking years.

Todd: Now he looks like, um. Like a 60-year-old man. Well, as he does 60,

Cathy: he’s still beautiful.

Todd: Yes, he is. Um, that’s what I got.

Cathy: That is good. And that was you. I’m surprised what we didn’t do on this show that I thought we’d do more of is talk about Taylor Swift’s music.

Cathy: Yeah. ’cause it’s all throughout the summer. I turn pretty, as I said, it’s used in very obvious ways. Right. Um, you know, like the song Red mm-hmm. That’s Conrad. Right. You know, daylight is more about Jeremiah, that kind of thing. Um, but I chose a song from the seventies, um, that I used to like when I was nine years old.

Cathy: Okay. Maybe eight. Okay. And it’s by Mary McGregor and it’s called Torn Between Two Lovers. Oh, that sounds kind of obvious. Do you remember this song? Of course. I know, but the song No, I know that’s fine. Is old and I kind of pulling from my childhood.

Clip: When a woman

Cathy: wants to say what’s [01:12:00] on her mind belly, she’s gotta say what’s on her mind. She does. So she know much. It’s gonna hurt. It’s gonna hurt. Yep. She tells the whole story. Say another lemme tell you. Love you. I love you. She’s telling her husband say, these were as, as I

Cathy: There’s been another man.

Todd: It’s getting obvious.

Cathy: Well, she tells the story.

Todd: Yeah. Okay, so, so we should have the, um, we should have, I’m gonna, if we do the chorus a little bit Oh, I’m sorry. I, I didn’t, you don’t have to play the whole time. I’m go to the chorus. So people, um, you act as if I know where the chorus is.

Todd: Okay.

Cathy: I think it’s coming. Just here It is.[01:13:00]

Cathy: So thing I love about songs from the seventies, ’cause this was definitely in the seventies, is ki it’s like the Pina Colada song or this song or the Dan Fogelberg song about meeting his girlfriend on New Year’s Eve or whatever it they tell, they tell you the whole story. Yeah. In the lyrics. Getting middle of an end.

Cathy: It’s so fun. That’s what’s great about it. I know. Or Wildfire. Remember Michael, that song about the horse? No. Called Wildfire. No, either. And I love it. It’s always on yacht rock.

Todd: I’m sure you do.

Cathy: Anyway, so that’s my pick. Will you

Todd: do, uh, while I’m pulling up? ’cause there’s a song and I can’t find it. You wanted me to play on the way out of this?

Cathy: You know what, um, I just wanted you to, oh yeah, there was a song I wanted you to play on the way. Oh, I know. Okay. This is why

Clip: watch the Bridges are burned. [01:14:00] Like the way

Cathy: there is a scene in the summer. I turned pretty season three, like three or four weeks ago. Where Belly is at her bachelorette party.

Cathy: Jeremiah’s having his bachelor party, and she kind of comes into this knowledge and starts to understand that Conrad talked to her mom into coming to the wedding, and she’s starting to realize that Conrad’s trying to help her, all these things. And then she’s kind of freaked out. So she takes a gummy, so she gets high.

Cathy: Mm-hmm. And she’s already been drinking. So she’s dancing and all of a sudden that Gummy kicks in.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: And her brain just starts thinking about Conrad and she’s like, oh shit. Yeah. And she basically says to Taylor, oh my God, all I’ve ever dreamed about was being with Conrad. So she kind of gives, you know, it kind of gets a little murky.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: Um, and so the song that’s playing when she’s dancing Hi, is a song by, uh, uh, Ariana Grande called We Can’t Be Friends. So play that on the Out. But let me say this, if you’re still listening and you watch this show. [01:15:00] Tomorrow night is the last episode. So Todd and I aren’t gonna ruin anything, but if you’ve read the books, you kind of have a gist of what’s gonna happen, even though they changed it a little bit.

Cathy: She’s in Paris, not in Spain. It’s a little more extended version of her story. But enjoy, if you didn’t watch it at all, maybe just text your kid and be like, what happened? Or, catch me up. Or are you excited to watch? Or whatever it may be. It’s just an opportunity to connect with something in pop culture that your kids enjoy.

Todd: And don’t forget to sign up for Team Zen. We do Zen Parenting Live. It’s a live podcast. Yeah, we did one last week. It was fun. Zen Parenting Live game. Um, Kathy’s got a book called Restoring Our Girls that you should buy that. And then don’t forget to subscribe to her sub stack. Yep. Uh, and all the notes, uh, all those links are in the show notes.

Todd: Keep trucking.