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Why don’t people understand my intention?
They call us customer so want they, they, our hair. The girls walk by with their nose in the.
Nerds.
Todd: Hi everybody. My name’s Todd Adams. And this is Kathy. [00:01:00] I’m a nerd and I’m pretty proud of it. Pretty proud of it. Um, welcome back to the sixth podcast, I guess. Um, and what’s the title of this one of
Cathy: Zen Pop Parenting. So Zen Pop Parenting is where Gen X pop culture meets real life reflection. So today we’re gonna go deep into nerd culture.
Cathy: We’re gonna talk about the movie Weird Science, a John Hughes movie, and then we are going to
Todd: You said deep sweetie.
Cathy: Oh, we’re not going rolling in the deep yet. That’s coming. That category comes later. Sorry about that. We are gonna roll in the deep a little later. Yeah. A little later, sorry. And then we are also gonna talk about Revenge of the Nerds, um, which they came out 19 84, 19 85 respectively.
Cathy: Is that correct? Weird Science, 1985. And then Revenge of the Nerds, I think was, um, 1985. Oh,
Todd: I, I got five. I got four. I’ve been doing a lot of research with JGPT. It turns out it’s wrong a lot.
Cathy: That’s why you have, that’s why it’s not foolproof. Like,
Todd: not, not nothing I ever say is foolproof because I’m getting a lot of it from [00:02:00] the old internet, which has a lot of bad information.
Cathy: Well, internet if you’re getting it repetitively, like I’m doing a lot of reading, like a old articles and yeah, I’m not doing any of that. That, you know, I remember from that time. Yeah. Or I’m like looking up a certain character and kind of seeing what they’re, what they said. Yeah. Um, so I’m trying to redeem you in that way, Todd.
Cathy: Thank you. So I will question, um, if I feel like we’re, you know, please not giving the correct information about these very important movies, but very controversial movies as well.
Todd: Yeah. They’re both a little controversial. One is a lot more controversial than the other. Mm-hmm.
Cathy: Well, I’d say they both have, and again, we’re gonna dive into this as we get through the categories, but they both, um.
Cathy: Now that we’re in a different time in looking back, have a lot of flaws,
Todd: I’m gonna kick you off guard real quick and just say, let’s begin with the end of mind. So what are you hoping, aside from entertaining and, and making our audience laugh, what are you hoping they take away from today’s podcast? Well,
Cathy: I think the [00:03:00] thing that’s most interesting about these two movies is the things that they ended up teaching us and where we are now when it comes to what we would call nerd culture.
Cathy: We don’t necessarily use that language anymore, but what we, what used to be an underdog story is not really an underdog story anymore.
Todd: Mm-hmm.
Cathy: And I think that it’s interesting what I, again, real life reflection, which Gen XI think it’s interesting to see how we got to where we are.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: And a lot of this is nostalgia.
Cathy: You know, Todd and I are gonna talk about these movies that we used to watch in our teens. And you know, they have still have a place in Gen X, you know, um, lore. Mm-hmm. You know, we know quotes and everything, and we know all the music. But then what did it lead to? And I think that in some ways is. Small amounts, good and large amounts problematic.
Todd: Yes. Yes, yes. Are we ready to set the scene? Let’s do it. Let’s set the scene, shall we?[00:04:00]
Todd: All right. We’re gonna set the scene. Um, would you
Cathy: like to start or me?
Todd: No, I think I’m gonna start. Okay. ’cause mine’s really basic. So, just as a reminder, um, which one, one came out in 84 and one came out in 85? Correct. Uh, which one? Which one came out when?
Cathy: Uh, weird Science 85. Revenge of the Nerds. 84.
Todd: And obviously this is top of mind for you and I, but I’m just gonna remind people who is in, who is in both of these movies.
Todd: Sure. Okay. Anthony Michael Hall was a star of weird science, a guy named Ian Mitchell. Smith is Wyatt. We’ll talk about Wyatt, your favorite actor. Uh, Kelly Lerock is Lisa Bill Paxton, who probably, who do you think is the most famous person that came from this movie? Anthony McCall. Or Bill Paxton?
Cathy: Well, that was Bill Paxton’s, like first or second role.
Cathy: So he definitely wasn’t known then, but obviously he had so many hits afterwards.
Todd: Actually, it’s neither of the two. Who is it sweetie? Who’s the most famous person to come outta this movie?
Cathy: Okay, [00:05:00] give me a second. Give me a second.
Cathy: The most famous person to come out A weird science by far. And it’s not Chet. It’s not Lisa.
Todd: Nope.
Cathy: Give me a hint. Why am I having a blank? I feel like I should know it. I
Todd: it. Yeah. You’re, you’re just having a brain fart. It’s Robert Downey Jr.
Cathy: Oh, duh. Yes, of course. Robert Downey Jr.
Todd: Uh, so yeah, he was, uh, kind of a side character.
Todd: Umm, trying to think. And
Cathy: it was his like, first or second role too. He was not known
Todd: yet. Yeah. Uh, and Revenge The Nerds. We have a guy named Robert Carine, which reminds me of the kung fu guy who was a, who was a kung fu guy.
Cathy: Um, yes. But different person, different last,
Todd: same last
Cathy: name, Carine. The other guy used to walk the earth.
Todd: He sure did. Like in Pulp Fiction. Yeah. I’m gonna walk the earth. Uh, Anthony Edwards mm-hmm. Is Gilbert. And Anthony kind of pushed away from this movie I read. He sure did. He’s like, I don’t wanna be known as Ted McKinley.
Cathy: Yeah. Well, first of all, Anthony Edwards then moved on to ER and Yeah. Won an Emmy and so on.
Cathy: He was
Todd: [00:06:00] also in Zodiac. He was, uh, Ted McGinley and I think of him as the Happy Days, late Comer, and then married with Chil. Isn’t, wasn’t he married with children too? He was
Cathy: in, so first of all, he’s Stan Gable and he was in Happy Days, he was in Married with Children. He’s now in shrinking the show, shrinking.
Cathy: Um, and he was also in Dynasty. Oh, okay. Yeah, he had a, he had a big eighties run.
Todd: He did, he had great hair. Probably still does. Mm-hmm. Uh, Timothy Busfield, who I always think of as the guy, the, the crabby dude from the brother from Field of Dreams, he’s Annie’s brother, but he is also in 30 something I wanna say.
Todd: He sure was. Yeah. Um, Curtis Armstrong, who did he play?
Cathy: Booger?
Todd: Booger.
Cathy: And he was in risky business and some other ones. Um, and that’s,
Todd: those are, oh, and John Goodman was in it. He was the coach. He was the coach of the, um, the alpha beta football team. So that’s my version of setting it up, just kind of, ah, alpha beta.
Todd: Oh, ah. They really needed to work on that. They sure did. That was a deep [00:07:00] song. What was, what was the sorority, what was the, the cool sorority girls. They were the pies pie. And was it, do you remember what the,
Cathy: what the letters, letters were?
Todd: No. We’ll figure it out. Um, so that’s my set in the stage or set in the scene.
Todd: What do you got? Little
Cathy: Lambdas. Were the pies. I can’t remember the letters. I’m trying to see their house. Mm-hmm. But it doesn’t matter. But again, even calling them the pies, right. There was purpose behind that. That was cringey. Anyway, um, a few things about setting the scene. Let’s just talk about what was going on in the world.
Cathy: Okay. So Ronald Reagan was president. A lot of the things we talk about on, um, Zen Pop parenting, it has Ronald Reagan as president,
Todd: you know, because that’s ’cause he was there for eight years. Eight years.
Cathy: Yeah. So, but you know, a lot of conservative ideals, you know, family values, I’m putting that in air quotes.
Cathy: Um, trickle down economics, idealized version of America that ignored a lot of inequality. Yeah. Like that was the thing about the eighties, is there was a lot of like idealization and we just looked away mm-hmm. [00:08:00] From things. Um, cold War was still on. Um, and we kind of, you know, we haven’t really talked about this, but Gen Xers, for as much as we can say, we’re not dealing with as much as millennials and Gen Zs did.
Cathy: We did have kind of an underlying dread about the Cold War. Like that was a thing. Yeah. Like didn’t you think about that? I did. You know, and so that was kind of part of our culture there was, which is why people think we have more of a dark humor and kind of ironic and sarcastic kind of humor is because there was like this underlying thing of like, you know, if there is a nuclear war, get under your desk.
Cathy: You know what I mean? It just, we didn’t know what to do with that information. Um.
Todd: Such an ignorant thing to do. Yeah. Cold War was probably our biggest thing that we had to worry about. Right.
Cathy: No, there was so many [00:09:00] movies, you know, the day after, was that what it was called? I think it was the day after. Yeah. So anyway, we just grew up with that middle life class or middle life. Let me say that again.
Cathy: Middle class life. Okay. Was changing. Okay. So middle class was very typical. I consider me growing up in a middle class environment as you were as well. And I remember my dad telling me from the time I was a teenager and on it’s shrinking. It’s shrinking. Like he was very concerned about people having jobs because things were going away, factory jobs were going white things that we’re still dealing with.
Cathy: Now. The, you know, the ball started rolling way back when, um, a lot of divorce was happening. A lot of, um, kids who were being, um, living in two different homes. You know, divorce was still, um, I don’t wanna say people didn’t talk about it ’cause they did. It was more common than it had been previously. Sure.
Cathy: Just put it that way. But there was still a lot of discomfort around talking about it. Yeah. We were all latchkey kids. We were raising ourselves, ex, you know, et cetera. And I. [00:10:00] So that means we were raised on underdog stories. You know, there was a lot of like things where we wanted heroes, right? So we had a lot of Karate Kid stuff, which we talked about a few weeks ago.
Cathy: Um, the Goonies, which we haven’t talked about yet, I don’t know if we will, we may be better. And then Revenge of the Nerds, which was another underdog story, which again, um, you know, it’s about being underestimated and then, you know, winning in the end. Um, and then we were being, you know, nerd culture, obviously in these two movies we’re talking about today, but also War Games was a big movie about, you know, a kind of a nerdy kid who almost started World War iii.
Cathy: Um, and there was also a lot of raunchy comedies going on, which tend there both of these comedies are raunchy in themselves, but porkies Fast Times at Ridgemont High, um, this is kind of the era we were in. And as you remember from our first Zen pop parenting. MTV was on a roll. Like at this point, MTV had been around for three or four years.
Cathy: It was a big part of our life. And, um, geeky stuff started to feel kind of [00:11:00] normal. Like we started, you know, Terminator, um, Ghostbusters, all this was coming.
Todd: Can you think of any, uh, and not to put you on the spot, but, uh, in the last 20 years, what would, what are the, in the last, ’cause this came out in 1985, which was whatever, 30 some odd years ago.
Todd: Uhhuh, what, what Nerdish movies can you think of that came out in the last 20 years that kind of like. Fill the void of these eighties movies going away.
Cathy: Well, I mean, different nerdy kind of things. Like mean girls had an, you know, a, a nerd quality Yeah. To it. Uh, book Smart, you know, these girls are supposed, and obviously I’m glad I’m speaking of movies that focused on girls.
Cathy: ’cause that’s not what was happening in the eighties. It was all boys stories. Right. Um, and so I think of American Pie, were
Todd: those were those
Cathy: four guys? Nerds? See, that’s the thing is like, it it, because what’s his name
Todd: was like a lacrosse star. So he wasn’t a nerd? No. Um, what’s his name was a nerd, uh, Finch.
Todd: He was a little nerdy. The one who ends up with the one who has [00:12:00] diarrhea in, uh, in the bathroom. Jennifer
Cathy: Coolidge?
Todd: Yes, that one. Okay. I think he was the nerdiest of the four. Mm-hmm. Uh, it also says Napoleon Dynamite.
Cathy: Oh, for sure. And that was more nineties? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Todd: Uh, super bad.
Cathy: Yeah.
Todd: Kind of.
Cathy: Yes, because they weren’t getting invited to parties and stuff.
Cathy: And then
Todd: last
Cathy: one,
Todd: Juno. Yeah. But that, that was cool. Yeah. Well, Juno was like one of my favorite movies of all time.
Cathy: And Juno, you know, we like to say, oh, she was a nerd, but was she, she can have her own. I think. Uh,
Todd: Bleecker was a little bit a nerd.
Cathy: Bleecker Bleecker didn’t know he had it in him.
Todd: That’s good scene.
Cathy: Yeah. So that is kind of setting the scene. This is what was going on. Our culture, as you said, these were the people in the movie. So we can move on to random facts.
Todd: Random facts. Here we come right back where we started from. What about remember when? Oh,
Cathy: remember when? Sorry. Go. I remember when
Cathy: you couldn’t wait.
Todd: I’m just gonna extend that soundbite until Neil, because I feel bad that I don’t hear [00:13:00] Neil.
Cathy: I know, but do you feel bad? Why? Because she’s the one who says, remember when Barbara Dreier?
Todd: I know, I know. Um, so I had, um, one bad idea of what I was gonna share for the, remember when, and it was me.
Todd: I. Waiting to caddy. Um, and I was, I saw weird signs the night before. Okay. And I was like, whatever. I guess I was 12 years old and I was trying to replicate the story of, um, them making a doll and they accidentally forgot to hook up the doll and Right.
Cathy: The Barbie.
Todd: And, and then it hooked up, hooked up to the nuclear warhead on the Time Magazine thing.
Todd: Sure. And I was trying to like say how funny this story was to my friend Mike Brannigan. Okay. And I was really trying to set it up well. And I just remember getting nothing back from Mike.
Cathy: But Why is that funny?
Todd: It’s not funny. I felt like totally embarrassed and it was my first experience of you need to be a good storyteller.
Cathy: For real. To
Todd: really, like, I just figured because I left hard the night before watching this scene Right. That I’d be able to set it up just as well as the movie. Right. And he just like. [00:14:00] Shook his head. He is like, yeah, I don’t know where you’re going with this one. So that was my bad story. My good question to you and to me is when you were going this age, well not let’s say high school or before.
Cathy: Mm-hmm.
Todd: Were you a nerd or were you in the cool crowd? I’ll start.
Cathy: I hate these kind of questions.
Todd: I was in grade school. I think I was more on the cool crowd because I was a good athlete. Mm-hmm. And then I got to high school and the high school was much bigger. There’s much better athletes and I regressed downward pretty quickly.
Todd: Mm-hmm. And I’ve shared the story where I, where all the cool people ran to the cafeteria table where like 25 kids can cramm themselves. And then I was always on the secondary with my three buddies. Got it. So I went from cool to not so cool in high school. Mm-hmm. Although I did wrestle and I was a decent wrestler, so I wasn’t like bottom of the social ladder, but I certainly wasn’t on top.
Todd: Got it. What do you got babe? Now you had Aquanet Harris, sweetie? I did. That’s a big [00:15:00] deal.
Cathy: Um, I had a very good experience in, uh, elementary, middle, and high school.
Todd: Let’s go through it. Were you prom queen or president of your class? I forget which one
Cathy: I was homecoming queen. Homecoming queen. And I was president of my class.
Todd: But you weren’t the prom queen. What happened there? No.
Cathy: No. Well, that did you run? Could run for it. Do
Todd: you run? No, you don’t run. Oh, you don’t? No. How do you, you people, you just get elected. Yeah. I mean,
Cathy: you just,
Todd: they just vote sweetie. I say we go back in time and try to fix that. You should have been prom queen too.
Cathy: No, no, no, no. That’s, that’s insane. That’s like too many riches. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Todd: So it’s fair to say you were not a nerd.
Cathy: Nope. I, but I, I don’t know how to say this, but there was, we were all kind of blended. Mm-hmm. Do you know what I mean? There was a lot of things, like student council was a huge part of my life, and some schools maybe that’s not cool.
Cathy: I did, uh, palms or Dance, which, you know, that tends to be what it, it still is today. And then I didn’t do, but then there was things I didn’t get involved in that were really big like theater.
Mm-hmm.
Cathy: Um, and I [00:16:00] You
looking at Nerd,
Cathy: huh?
Like we all just said, that’s a difficult situation. I mean, after all, even Nerds.
Oh,
Todd: N
Cathy: Un,
Todd: was that his name? UN Yeah. He had to prove to them what kind of a first name is UNI don’t know. I don’t know. It’s a weird first name. It must have been two, the two letters and it stood for something. Yeah.
Cathy: Kinda like jd. Yeah. You know, UN, that kind of thing. Okay. But anyway, so yes.
Todd: All right. Are we ready for the next one?
Cathy: Um, so my, I didn’t do my Reem Oh, sorry. Go ahead babe. I mean, I don’t really have much here. I, because the, the thing I have to say, I don’t remember the first time I saw Revenge of the Nerds. Um, I think I, what I remember about Revenge of the Nerds is how many times I watched it once it was on tv.
Todd: Mm-hmm.
Cathy: I’ve seen this movie. I mean, Todd and I watched it the other night and um, we know every line and everything that’s coming up. Yes. You know what I mean? It’s just one of those movies that’s in my brain. [00:17:00] Weird science I kinda came to later because I am such a 16 Candles breakfast club. Person. And I didn’t think weird science was for me because, um, it was about these two guys.
Cathy: I just didn’t, I don’t think I saw it in the theater like you did.
Todd: Mm-hmm.
Cathy: But then when I did finally see it on tv, it became, because there was, we, my friends and I had a lot of jokes from it. Do you know what I mean? A lot of the quotes in it. And so it became very normal. But I don’t remember seeing either of these two movies in the theater, which usually I do remember those things.
Cathy: Mm-hmm. So I think I was more on the side of the repeats. Alright. All right.
Todd: Um, okay. Random facts. Random facts. Here we go.
Sounds here. Do you know the human head?
Todd: I got a lot of stuff for this one. Are you ready? Yeah. I’m gonna start with weird science ’cause we haven’t talked much about that yet. Uh, model Kelly Emberg was initially cast as Lisa.
Todd: Any idea who Kelly Emberg is?
Cathy: Yeah, [00:18:00] that’s, she was an eighties model. I can see her in my, I feel like she dated Rod Stewart. I don’t, but she
Todd: left after two days due to creative differences.
Cathy: Well, I can imagine
Todd: Lerock was hired as a replacement. Vernon Wells Reprises, his memorable biker character. We from Mad Max part two, but is credited in this movie as Lord General Roger Ebert.
Todd: Sweetie, you wanna know what he said about science?
Cathy: What did he say?
Todd: Uh, he gave them film three outta four stars called Lerock Wonderful. In a role and thought that as a result the film was funnier and a little deeper than the predictable story it may have been. So Ro who? Roger Eber.
Cathy: That is shocking to me.
Cathy: That’s right. First of all, I want to agree with him about something. ’cause we watched Weird Signs again the other night. Even though it’s kind of in my head, it’s like now I’m watching it through New Eyes and she is good in it. Mm-hmm. So by the way, Kelly Enberg was dating, uh, rod Stewart. I was right. I very did.
Cathy: I looked her up. And there’s a picture of them together, but she’s very, for such a crazy role.
Todd: Yeah,
Cathy: she’s very grounded.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: Like you would think she could, she [00:19:00] didn’t dial it out. Right. Yeah. And so this, it’s a weird compliment because I never thought of Kelly Lerock. Like now I think of her as being in like.
Cathy: Jean Claude Van Dam movies or whatever,
Todd: weren’t they together? She was also a In A Woman in Red with Woman in Red Dean
Cathy: Wilder,
Todd: Wilder,
Cathy: Uhhuh. I remember
Todd: that. A TV series based on the film for a weird science ran for 88 episodes. Did you see any of these? 88? No, I don’t remember it at all. Me neither. Um, Kelly Le Brock’s character’s name was inspired by a Apple Computer’s first GUI computer.
Todd: The Apple, Lisa.
Cathy: Lisa. It’s such an eighties name.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: Like we were the other night, we were talking about all the names from the eighties, and Lisa is so high on the list, Amy. Jennifer. Yeah, Michelle. Like, when I look at my, like in my, you know, my phone, my contacts, I have so many Jennys, so many Jens, so many Amys, so many Michelles.
Cathy: What’s the
Todd: name of that? Um, beer. Uh, the alcohol that jcs drinking now for mom. Water. Mom, water.
Cathy: Parents like mom, water. [00:20:00] Um, they named their the drinks after the women. Um, so just look at those
Todd: and it’s all like those names, right? Um, Anthony Michael Hall passed on starring in National Lampoon’s European vacation to be in this film.
Cathy: Oh my gosh, that’s a good random fact.
Todd: As a result, neither Russ Griswold nor Sister Audrey were ever played by the same actors from film to film until Dana Baron. I don’t know if this is true, is Dana Baron, do you even know who that is? She reprised her role as Audrey in Christmas vacation Part two cousin Eddie’s Island Adventure.
Todd: It sounds like it might be true.
Cathy: I have no idea,
Todd: but I don’t know. Um, in an interview with Howard Stern, Robert Downey Jr. Cleared up the rumors that he defecated in Kelly Le Brock’s trailer. He stated that he and his co-star Robert Russell, who played Max
Cathy: Max, mad Max
Todd: joked about defecating people’s trailers throughout the shoot.
Todd: They eventually did it in one of the female cast members’ trailer, but it was not LA Rocks. That’s kind of disgusting. Yeah. Gross. Yeah. And I don’t even know if it’s true.
Cathy: Well, and these guys were young. Like Anthony Michael Hall was 17 Yep. When he did weird science, [00:21:00] which means he would’ve been like 15 when he did 16 candles and 16 when he did breakfast club.
Cathy: Yep. That was young breakout. Are
Todd: you ready for, for Revenge of the Nerds? Uh, random
Cathy: facts. Uh, do you want me to do my weird science random? Sure. If you, if you got ’em, um, sorted that way. Sure. I don’t really think I have any ones that are more interesting. Oh, I know one thing that supposedly, uh, John Hughes wanted to cast a musician in the title role of, um.
Cathy: Weird science. Oh, a musician. He talked about Prince David Lee Roth being, but see, I’m questioning this because they then go to music. And so in the article it said that he then decided to have oiling go boy and go sing the song. I’m like, well, did you want them to be in the movie or sing the title song?
Cathy: Hmm. But anyway, that was a John Hughes thing. And then you may have already said this, but he wrote this script in two days.
Todd: Yes. I have not said that, but I did read that.
Cathy: Yeah. So John Hughes wrote this script in two days, and Todd and I were talking about that the other night. We’re like, yeah, seems like it.
Cathy: [00:22:00] Yeah. Because it does not, it is not a fleshed out story.
Todd: No. It goes in like, it’s funny. It’s good. It gets weird at the end. It’s very strange. Yeah. The, the tone is strange. Um, heading over to Revenge of the Nerds. Mm-hmm. First of all, there was Revenge the Nerds two, three, and four. Did you watch any of these?
Cathy: Yes, I watched two. Um, I, that was called
Todd: Nerds in Paradise.
Cathy: Yes. And I might have seen three. I did not see four. But the one where they’re in Paradise, Anthony Edwards is at the beginning. Mm-hmm. Remember? But then, or he is on the phone. He’s on the phone or something. Yeah. But he does, he’s not in it as much.
Todd: Um, I think I saw two. I don’t think I saw three or four, but Ogre somehow turns into a nerd.
Cathy: Nerd. Yeah. He becomes part of their team.
Todd: Um, Lamar mm-hmm. Was one of the guys from Karate Kid. He sure was. Sure Was. Um, I’m gonna, I’m going to knock your socks off with one of these, and I don’t know if it’s true, but I’m gonna start, but I’m gonna go to these first Lambda Lambda Lambda.
Todd: The fraternity depicted in this film would end up becoming the name of an actual fraternity in real life at the University of [00:23:00] Connecticut in 2006.
Cathy: Yes. And yes. I kind of read it, so it’s really one, ’cause I kind of read it as like nerd centric groups kind of claimed it. But was it a nationally recognized?
Todd: I don’t know. I can look it up. Okay. Um, alright, so you ready for me to knock your socks off
Cathy: before you do that? Sure. Did you get where this was filmed? Revenge of the Nerds,
Todd: university of Arizona.
Cathy: Right. And they kind of regretted it?
Todd: Yes. Because there’s a lot of inappropriate things that go on in this movie.
Todd: Correct. Okay, go ahead. My socks, um, I got two of them. Okay. One is Judy, who you like,
Cathy: I love Judy. So you say you gotta be free. Can I play
Todd: that part for you sweetie? Yeah, please. All right, let’s do that.
You can all sing along. The words are really easy. Thanks, Judy. So I say I gotta be free, so I say I got you. I gotta be me. So,
so,
[00:24:00] oh, Judy.
Todd: And Gilbert’s
Cathy: laughing. ’cause Gilbert
Todd: loves Judy. Judy was an a, the woman who plays Judy was also in another movie that we did on Zen Pop parenting already actually getting real that’s getting released tomorrow. So which one are we releasing? She’s
Cathy: in the outside.
Todd: She is. And the idea who she might be,
Cathy: she’s the one in Valley Girl too.
Todd: I don’t know who who that is, but do you
Cathy: It’s it’s Cherry’s friend,
Todd: correct.
Cathy: At the movie. So she’s also in Valley Girl. So remember when we were trying to come up with and we were like, what else has she been in? She’s Judy.
Todd: She’s Judy. And I think her name was Marsha in the, uh, outsiders.
Cathy: Yes. And in Valley Girl.
Cathy: Her name’s Susie.
Todd: And I just hope that I never have to do a Zen pop parenting on Valley. Girl,
Cathy: we You will. Sorry, it’s coming.
Todd: There’s no way that this one’s true, but I’m gonna say it anyways.
Cathy: Okay.
Todd: Donald Gibb, he played ogre.
Cathy: Okay.
Todd: [00:25:00] Lives in Chicago. Okay. And is the co-owner. For the Chicago Karaoke Bar Trader, Todd’s, you are kidding me.
Todd: No idea if it’s true, but that’s what the internet told me.
Cathy: Okay. First of all, you have to figure out if that’s true. I
Todd: tried. I tried. I think he was also the spokesperson for some type of alcohol,
Cathy: but, okay. First we have to explain this whole thing. Okay. Is that Trader Todd’s was like my favorite bar, like right before Todd and I got married.
Cathy: Mm-hmm. And so we, so my girlfriends from my bachelorette party knew that and took me to Trader Todd’s. They knew that. ’cause I like to karaoke. Yes. And take over. Yes. I could be obnoxious.
Todd: And then, didn’t you like join a guy in a duet?
Cathy: Every person who went up, I was like duet. Do you
Todd: remember any songs that you duetted to?
Cathy: I duetted to, um, don’t Go Breaking My Heart. Um, I think I duetted I think we figured out in our last conversation I did Islands In the stream. Islands in the stream. Is it in the stream? On the stream where I know, where are they in the stream? I don’t know. Um, [00:26:00] yes, I kept.
Cathy: I was good and I had a, uh, I thought I was good and I had a veil on. ’cause in bachelor parties we did that. And then we had, okay, I’m gonna tell a real tale on myself. Then there were upstairs is where we had like the party before we came down to karaoke. They like rented out the top and there was a stripper.
Cathy: Oh no. I know that was such a thing. My girls cannot believe that. It’s, it’s still a thing, isn’t it? I’m sure it is. Um, but anyway, and then I’ll tell another part of the story Okay. Is that Todd and I lived together at the time we lived together before we got married. Um, and I came home and I was so sick.
Cathy: And you have a picture of me on the bathroom floor Yeah. Throwing up. And I’ll give even more scoop about this. Yep. I have not thrown up from drinking since then.
Todd: That is quite the accomplishments. I
Cathy: know. I was like, this is never happening again. I don’t, there it, this. [00:27:00] So let’s just say that Trader Todd’s plays a role in our marriage.
Cathy: It does, it does. Thank you, ogre. Um, all right. Are we ready for the next one? Um, let me see. I have a few things for Revenge of the Nerds, supposedly. Um, Michael J. Fox was originally considered for Lewis in Revenge of the Nerds. Do you think that’s true?
Todd: No.
Cathy: Um, it said he had scheduling conflicts with family ties.
Cathy: Um, they
Todd: mixing that up with Back to the Future, but Proceed,
Cathy: you’re right. But it says Louis. It says Louis. It doesn’t say like, you know,
Todd: I think it, I think they got it mixed up.
Cathy: Well, maybe he could have been, maybe was more than one movie. I’m saying
Todd: No, I’m saying not likely.
Cathy: Um, so this kind of made me laugh.
Cathy: Uh, there in an interview that Curtis Armstrong did, he said that he was almost rejected for booger because he looked too clean, which booger does not look clean.
Todd: He does a good job of looking unclean.
Cathy: Um, and then that’s about it.
Todd: Okay,
Cathy: so WTF that
Todd: escalated quickly. I mean, that really got outta hand fast.
Todd: It
[00:28:00] jumped up a notch.
Todd: It did, didn’t it? So I feel like we could spend an hour on the WTF Okay. Dump, like, I feel like we created this category with the thought of revenge and the nerds being something that you would do.
Cathy: Yeah. So kind of treat this WTF category as the bigger picture of all the things that are wrong with this movie.
Cathy: Um, because we have to, we can say that it’s part of our culture and that we know it, and that we had fun with it, but we also have to address all the things that are wrong.
Todd: Can I first start with something that is a little bit less intense? Sure. You know, when they’re doing Fireball, fireball, fireball ball, fireball ball, and he is like taking the lighter and he is like blowing, blowing it up, and then he turns to the right, right directly towards the curtains.
Todd: I think that’s, and, and everybody seems okay, like. Our house is burning down Our
Cathy: house.
Todd: Our house, our house. Our house is down burning down. I just, I thought that that was a really [00:29:00] interesting thing.
Cathy: And before that, the song they’re dancing to is burning down the house by talking heads. Yep. So it was kind of alluded to that it was about to happen.
Cathy: Um, so yes, that is
fire law man. Once
Cathy: here we go.
Cathy: Okay. We got it. Alright. So do you want me to start, or do you, do you wanna start about the matic nature? Yeah.
Todd: Let’s just, are you gonna start revenge or with weird science?
Cathy: Weird science.
Todd: Yeah. Start with weird science.
Cathy: Okay. So obviously weird science is a male fantasy at the expense of women.
Todd: Yep.
Cathy: Okay.
Cathy: Let’s just say it. So they create, literally create a woman. Um, and she solely exists for them. Yeah. She actually says Kelly the Brock has lines in the movie where she’s like, um, I am theirs. Um, they made me, yeah. They can do whatever they want with me. Um, I belong to them, I belong to them. Yeah. It’s, it’s very objectifying.
Cathy: Yeah. You know, to say the least. Um, weird signs, we’re gonna say this about revenge of the nerds too, but consent and autonomy are completely ignored.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: It’s just [00:30:00] not part of this story. Um, even though Lisa’s kind of powerful mm-hmm. You know, she’s like big player in the movie. Her whole identity is male fantasy.
Yeah.
Cathy: Okay. Um, it’s actually kind of, I, I, I’ll, I’m saying air quotes enjoyable, meaning interesting to see all the things they’re cutting out
Todd: mm-hmm. Of
Cathy: the magazine.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: Which is so eighties. We would cut things outta the magazine and then they keep putting it into the computer and then you see all the things that they put into make her perfect.
Cathy: David Lee Roth, David Lee Roth, but also brilliant like, you know, Einstein. Yeah. And then, you know, obviously the face that she has in the body. So, um, so the boys, their entitlement to her body. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? That they get to do whatever they want. It’s just never questioned. Like, you know, the first thing they wanna do is take a shower.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: You know, uh, this is, they just get to watch her and look at her. It’s total, um, obviously it, it’s, there’s total toxic gender norms. Sure. Okay. So the solution to these boys’ problems of being nerds and being ants in front of people and bullied [00:31:00] is to get a hot woman who makes them look cool. Who gives them each a car with their name on the license plate to boost their confidence.
Cathy: And so it’s that old school thing, Todd, that it’s a woman’s role to fix a men a man’s self-esteem.
Todd: I just thought of another, uh, movie that is along the same lines. Let’s hear it. And one that I love,
Cathy: uh, exactly. Can’t buy me. Love
Todd: Ronald Miller. That’s right. That’s what he does. Mancini.
Cathy: Yep.
Todd: Love this movie.
Todd: Love that movie. Um,
Cathy: yeah, same thing. She, he pays her mm-hmm. To make him look cool. And then obviously it goes off the rails as all these movies do. Um, so, uh, it played, let’s see, all the sexual stuff in the movie is played for laughs. Um, you know, there’s no emotional depth. Everything is about, well, it’s, it’s kind of scary, you know what I mean?
Cathy: Like, there’s, um, they. Stalk women, they look at [00:32:00] women when they don’t know they’re being looked at. They expect things from women. And this is both, um, Robert Downey Jr. And his buddy and the the boys in the movie.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: Um, and then obviously there is no diversity in this movie. This tends to be the truth from all John Hughes movie.
Cathy: He films them in, um, the suburbs of Chicago. Mm-hmm. And so he’s somewhat being true to the fact that there isn’t a lot of diversity in some of these wealthier suburbs. Um, and interesting, like this is a random fact. Also, these boys, Wyatt and Gary in weird science, they go to Schirmer High School, which is where the kids from the Breakfast Club go to high school as well.
Cathy: So he just reused the same high
Todd: school. Do you think Gary would be friends with? Uh, what’s an, what’s Anthony? Brian. Brian.
Cathy: Brian. If a calmer. Individual. Yeah. Gary’s got the crazy hair. Yeah. He’s a little more amped up and he’s more of a risk taker.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: Like Brian is not, I mean,
Todd: Brian is much more nerdy.
Todd: Much more nerdy. Yeah. Um, so real quick, and I, I don’t know [00:33:00] if they, if why I’m even asking this, but did, does Lisa have sex with either of these two young men?
Cathy: Well, we questioned that when we were watching it because I think she did. I think that’s the whole background intention is that she’s wearing
Todd: her underwear.
Cathy: Correct. And, but she also says, to your point, during the movie, I was doing the gymnastics routine you told me to do and you fell asleep. Right. So, but then she said, we’ll try again later. Right Now this is supposed to have taken place over a 24 hour, 48 hour period of time. So who knows? Um. But there was the implication Yeah.
Cathy: That she was teaching them to be sex. And
Todd: they were 15 at the time. Correct. So, which I think is statutory rape.
Uh, yeah.
Todd: Yeah. So that’s, uh, that’s a weird science for you. There you go. Are we ready to head to the even worse one? Yeah. Revenge of the Nerds. Um, so many, um, let’s start with the more tame one.
Todd: Okay. Which is, and it’s sad that this is tame. They break into their sorority house [00:34:00] Correct. And install a bunch of cameras Yep. And videotape them without their consent. Correct.
Cathy: And then watch them and watch them throughout the day
Todd: while eating cereal, breakfast cereal with beer
Cathy: with a young boy who, what’s Worms Worm are,
Todd: how old is Worms are?
Todd: I think he’s 12. Yeah. In the movie. Yeah. And um, it’s weird to say that this is not the worst thing that happens in the movie. Correct. But it isn’t.
Cathy: Yeah. And also Takashi keeps taking pictures of their. They’re private areas.
Todd: Uh, they do with the camera. They do. That’s right.
Cathy: It’s just akashi though. There’s no they, right.
Cathy: Is there anybody else?
Todd: Um, speaking of akhi.
Okay. Okay. Te now show me your cards. Okay. Two and four kings. That’s good. Yeah. No, no. You got too many kings. Oh, you gotta get rid of these. Oh. Take three of these kings out and we’ll replace them with fresh carts. Refresh cart. Oh.
Todd: What’s funny is the next line is he’s like, when do I get to deal?
Todd: He’s like, well, you gotta win a hand first [00:35:00]
Cathy: booger. And so right there like playing tochi, another thing, sorry to jump on. That’s fine. I know it’s your turn, but obviously the representation of different ethnicities, right? It’s played for laughs and it’s, you know, the like long duck dong.
Todd: Exactly. It’s the
Cathy: long duck dong thing.
Cathy: Yeah.
Todd: Yeah. Um, so yeah, sadly that’s not the worst thing that happens in this movie. Mm-hmm. Should we talk about the worst thing? Why don’t, why don’t you start it?
Cathy: So, uh, well, let me say, to kind of build up to the scene that again, just like in grid science, women are objectified throughout the whole thing.
Cathy: Obviously, like Todd said, they’re watching women. The whole goal is to see women, to find women, et cetera. Um, and there’s complete boundary crossing, you know, the hidden cameras, the manipulation, and it’s supposed to be seen as like. Um, fun. You know, it kind of, it borders, um, on the Animal house thing. Yeah.
Cathy: You know, animal House is such a movie from Al, also from our past, but it was also like movie that my dad liked, you know what I mean? It was a lot of good humor, but boundary crossing. Yeah. You know, um, inappropriate, um, harmful, [00:36:00] uh, no consent. Um, sexual harassment, et cetera. The worst thing in this movie is that there is an actual sexual assault.
Yeah.
Cathy: Um, and so Louis pretending to be, um, Stan Gable
Todd: mm-hmm.
Cathy: You know, meets Betty in this thing, in this fun house, and then they have sex and she didn’t know that it was Louis. She thought it was Stan. Yeah. And then the bigger problem is that after he takes off his mask, she decides it was great and that she loves him.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: And this is also portrayed in 16 candles when, um, Anthony, Michael Hall’s character, you know, farmer Ted, he has sex with, um. What’s her name in the movie? She’s a woman. She’s a woman. I can’t remember. Yeah. But anyway, it’s, it’s Jake Ryan’s girlfriend. He is supposed to drive her home. He doesn’t, they have sex in a parking lot of, of her church.
Todd: It’s almost like John Hughes saw this movie and decide and got inspired by it or [00:37:00] something.
Cathy: Exactly. Well,
Todd: or maybe it was all written at the same time. I don’t know which came first.
Cathy: Yeah. Who knows. But then he also had sex with her and she’s like, you know what? I think I liked it.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: Which is the, this is very problematic because of course this, I mean, I, I, we don’t have
Todd: enough work about normalizing sexual assault.
Todd: Right. For young, you know, I was like 12 at the time. Like, oh, okay, I guess this is right. Normal.
Cathy: Right. They’ll fall in love with me after Yeah. I show them. Right. The man that I am. Yeah. Um, and you know, so that in itself. Is a and that, that the women would be that dumb, like that they would be, that like easily to sway and, and manipulate and to harm and that they would be okay with it.
Cathy: It just, especially in the 16 candles. ’cause she’s supposed to be such a powerhouse and she, you know. So
Todd: what would be the Mount Rushmore, the four examples of worst moments from a consensual standpoint for our childhood movies? I think
Cathy: Revenge of the Nerds is number one. I think it’s
Todd: number one also,
Cathy: uh, I think 16 Candles is [00:38:00] number two.
Cathy: I think
Todd: I agree with you.
Cathy: Um, I’m trying to think
Todd: like of our other movies. What about American Pie, where they are Yeah, they’re videoing her. They’re videoing her and broadcasting it to everybody. Yep. Um, that’s, and then maybe weird science, maybe those are our four.
Cathy: Yeah, I think that, I mean, we didn’t do.
Cathy: Research on this one, but I think that’s a good guess. Yeah. Um, so yeah, that is the big part of revenge of the nerds that I think everybody struggles with and what needs to be talked about. Um, so, you know, nerd culture.
Todd: Yeah. Um, anything else in this category?
Cathy: Um, let’s see if there’s anything. Yeah, one more thing.
Cathy: Um. The whole revenge thing as entitlement, you know, like the nerds suffered and so all their behavior becomes justified.
Todd: Yep.
Cathy: Um, and this is kind of part of the stuff that we’re gonna get into with rolling in the deep it, it doesn’t examine how that kind of power can corrupt and that we cheer them on because they’re underdogs, but really they’re also doing harm.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: You know, I mean, think about [00:39:00] the other thing that they did was they took a pic, a picture of Betty
Todd: mm-hmm. And
Cathy: put it on the tin.
Todd: That’s right. We didn’t even talk about that one. Yeah.
Cathy: They put it on the Tin of the pie, which was only whipped cream, by the way. Yeah. And sold it. Mm-hmm. And it was a picture of her that’s.
Cathy: Topless topless. That’s revenge porn or that’s, you know, yeah. Using her image. Yeah. And, you know, again, and we laughed at it, it’s not Okay.
Todd: Um, a few other examples. Breakfast Club where Bender puts his head in. Oh yeah. Between the legs of Claire.
Cathy: Yeah, absolutely.
Todd: Um,
Cathy: anything in Saint Elmos?
Todd: It doesn’t, let’s see.
Todd: I mean, I just pulled up a few things. Um,
Cathy: I’m like looking around our office.
Todd: There’s, uh, in this isn’t, this isn’t quite right, but in big, you know, he’s a 12-year-old boy, right?
Cathy: Oh yeah. It’s weird. And she’s a grown woman. She’s 30. Can’t
Todd: hardly wait. I don’t know what that movie,
Cathy: it’s a nineties movie where they’re all at a party.
Cathy: And, and I don’t that, that movie is like four years younger than us. Like, we didn’t get into it as much. Yeah. So I [00:40:00] can’t speak to it, but I know what it is.
Todd: Um, what about Twilight Sweetie Edward sneaks into Bella’s room to watch her sleep Without her knowledge.
Cathy: Yeah. Not cool. I, and I agree with that. At the same time, the oddness of twilight is that there is no sex, that he will not be with her unless they get married and he doesn’t wanna kiss her and he doesn’t wanna be with her in a sexual way because he’s afraid he’ll hurt her.
Cathy: So while he should not be sitting in her room watching her sleep, very strange. There’s also this like, Christian, and, and it, it, we do know from the author that it was like a Christian mentality. Yeah. Like, we’re not gonna do anything.
Todd: What about this?
Cathy: There you go. There’s another one.
Todd: Yikes.
Cathy: Same thing in Greece and in Grease two. Remember a reproduction in grease two?
Todd: No, sweetie, I didn’t watch it. You did? Okay.
Cathy: You missed it. We’re also gonna do something about Grease [00:41:00] two. Can’t wait. Maybe we’ll do a Valley girl Grease two. Can’t wait. Um, but yeah, there, it’s, so it’s more common than not.
Cathy: Yeah. Let’s just say that. And, and again, you know, this is. For our generation, all the unlearning we’ve had to do. Mm-hmm. You know, and, and it’s not all gone. Yeah. There’s still things in movies that are completely inappropriate, and we still, even if it’s not as overt as it was in the eighties, there’s still that feeling of the women don’t really know what they want, and men need to tell them and show them and take it from them.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: They need to be convinced and overpower them. I mean, 50 Shades of Gray, that’s, that’s an offshoot of Twilight actually. Um, but that whole submission thing. Yeah. You know, like, and some of it is okay to be sexual fantasy. This is why it’s so nuanced and fuzzy, because it’s not like people are bad for, you know, having this as a sexual fantasy, but it’s the normalization of it, you know, it’s what porn is doing.
Todd: It’s all about, it’s, well, it’s all about consent for, like that’s the [00:42:00] foundation, right. But then even there’s some messed up stuff on porn that. Uh, appears to be consensual when in fact, you know, it’s just such a,
Cathy: and I gotta dive into the fine line of consent because I think it’s more, it’s consent. Yes.
Cathy: And then the normalization of something like the amount of girls now who get strangled Yes. In a sexual act because they’re seeing this in porn so they think it’s normal or they get tied or they get bound or they get forced because, and so it’s like maybe in that moment they think that’s part, it’s normalized to them.
Cathy: Well,
Todd: there’s a scene in UF euphoria, I think it’s first season. Mm-hmm. Where that happens, that he strangles her. I have a few other examples and then we’ll move on. Yeah. Something about Mary, multiple men stalking this woman for real. Right, for real. Um, knocked up, uh, which is a little bit tricky ’cause they’re both drunk, but supposedly you can’t give consent when you’re drunk.
Cathy: Yeah. They, they, the scene [00:43:00] is again, messy and gray because. She also says he doesn’t use birth control.
Todd: Right.
Cathy: And he, she’s like, what do you mean? And he says, well, you told me to just do it.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: And she didn’t mean do it without a condom, you know, so I
Todd: like to call a miscommunication. Exactly. Big time. Uh, last one and license to drive, which is pretty messed up.
Todd: Don’t they? Put Heather Graham in the trunk of the car. Car and she’s drunk. We do the cos. Yes. Let’s,
Cathy: we’re gonna do a show about the cos
Todd: too. We should
Cathy: do a show about, I know, I’m not kidding. Like the Cory Feldman and Cory Hams still are linger in today’s Hollywood as far as being whistleblowers. And Cory Ham is no longer with us, but there’s a lot of story there.
Todd: Um, so this is, should we go to Zen Parenting here?
Cathy: You you wanted to do hot take or you wanted to do something else is hot Take now.
Todd: Um, we could. This is mine.
Boy, it’s hot. This is hot. I never got this hot in Brooklyn. It is like Africa Hot. [00:44:00] Couldn’t take this kind of hat.
Cathy: What’s that from?
Todd: You don’t know?
Cathy: Uhuh.
Todd: Oh, it’s from Biloxi Biloxi Blues.
Cathy: Oh, I don’t know it, it sounds like Matthew Broderick is Matthew Broderick.
Todd: That right. Okay.
Cathy: So I’ve got two. I’ve got a hot take for, um, weird science and then Revenge of the Nerds. You ready? You know what my hot take is for weird science? Um, oh,
Todd: Wyatt.
Cathy: Wyatt is not a good actor.
Cathy: And I’m sorry, Ian Mitchell Smith, like you are so cute now grown up and you are so cute even in the movie, but he cannot get his face straight. He’s laughing in every scene, especially in the opening, like. Anthony Michael Hall is committed like he is in this role. Like he is, he’s pretending it’s the most normal thing.
Cathy: Wyatt is laughing in every scene. I I even when I was young and I saw this movie, I was like, what’s going on with this actor? Like, he’s pulling me out of the movie. Does it, does he do that for you? Um, he has a different cadence, let’s say. He’s so [00:45:00] stiff.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: You know, and he, and he’s so cute and he has a few moments here and there.
Cathy: His a little
Todd: whiny.
Cathy: He is a little and he’s so afraid of Chet. But see, that’s part of the character I get that. I just, my hot take is Wyatt. Come on. But you know what, he didn’t act after this, so I think he knew it wasn’t his calling.
Todd: That was it. I think he was in another movie. Uh, I think it was the National Lampoons movie with Chris Penn.
Cathy: Oh, really?
Todd: Yeah. And yeah, I didn’t, and the guy from, uh, mask and Eric Stoltz. Eric Stoltz, um. I’ll look it up. I forget what that was.
Cathy: So that’s my hot take for weird signs. Yeah. Do you have any or I don’t. I actually did not. I came unprepared for my hot take. My hot take in Revenge of the Nerds is Betty shouldn’t have been so accepted quickly by those nerds, Betty, first of all, the whole like thing scene we were talking about where she’s sexually assaulted by Louis and then all of a sudden it decides she loves him.
Mm-hmm.
Cathy: And then at the very end when they’re like, you know, we’re nerds. If you’re a nerd, come down here with us. And Betty runs there with them. I’m like, dude, you have done so much harm to these guys. [00:46:00] There’s no like apology, there’s no like redemption. And all of a sudden they’re like, yeah, Betty’s with us.
Cathy: You know what I mean? You
Todd: never get tired of Betty. You can never get tear of bed.
Cathy: Well and that’s the thing is like again it’s hot girl stuff, right? Yeah. Where she can do anything And um, so those are my two hot takes.
Todd: Uh, those are two very good hot takes, sweetie.
Cathy: Is this un parenting time?
Todd: Yeah, it’s un parenting time,
Todd: sweetie. You get nostalgic when you hear this.
Cathy: I do, but I don’t have to get nostalgic ’cause we still play it. There we go.
Todd: Then we go over here.
Todd: All right. Um, I don’t know what I have for rolling in the deep. Uh, we already talked about a gender consent. Um, what else do I have for weird science? Rolling in the deep, uh, what’s up with Chet and Wyatt? Like really awful sibling chat. Not good. Che is
Cathy: so mean. Jet is so mean. I mean, first of all, he’s been in the Marines.
Cathy: Where’s [00:47:00] he been? Somewhere? Uh, he’s been in the, yeah, something like that. You know, army or something. And he comes home and his, you know, Wyatt explains that his parents do not trust Wyatt, but they trust Che. And, and Gary says to him, you know, I don’t wanna be here. Mm-hmm. When Chet’s here, you didn’t tell me Chet was gonna be here.
Cathy: So Chet, obviously, you know, his, uh,
Cathy: hije.
Okay. What back? If you see a lion, let me know. You spit in this? Not that I’m aware of. No, not that I’m aware of. Hey, that looks pretty good.
Now make yourself one dick. Weed.
Todd: He’s a legendary character.
Cathy: We question this time when we watch it. Where did Chet go? The night that they made Lisa? Where was Chet? Uh, it looks like hunting or something. Yeah, I think he went hunting or something because he came home and he had a gun and, [00:48:00] which is great. Whatever. Um, so yes, I, I think that sibling ship could use some support
Todd: he has.
Todd: This is a better one.
Todd: So, yeah, my role in the deep is, uh, the parents didn’t do a good job of aligning their two sons to be on the same team.
Cathy: You think
Todd: he like gives them his social security? At one point?
Cathy: I got you. My social security, my college savings, yes.
Todd: Um, what else you got?
Cathy: Okay, so masculinity, so narrow.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: Right. Only one version of masculinity.
Cathy: Sex. Yeah. Yeah. Popularity. Yeah. Sports, you know, those things. Um, and it’s getting fixed by the girl. Yeah. Again, all this pressure on the girl. The reason why we have to think about that is because that’s a lot of, if you guys understand what an uh, incel is, which is, um, men who have. By choice becomes celibate because they think they have been [00:49:00] denied by women or that they believe the 80 20 rule, which is that women only want 20%, only want 20% of the men out there.
Cathy: And so there’s no way a woman is gonna choose them. Am I saying that? Well? Yep. Um, is there anything you wanna add to that in cell behavior? So if you understand that that’s what’s being portrayed here is that men are like, we can’t be cool or have a life unless women find us attractive. And if they don’t find us attractive, then they’re going, we’re gonna crap all over.
Todd: Well, and maybe this is just saying what you said a little bit differently in self stands for involuntary. Involuntary delib.
Cathy: Yeah.
Todd: Um, so they don’t choose anything. They are being denied something that they want.
Cathy: You’re right. And so they’re choosing it, but they’re choosing it because they feel forced to choose it.
Cathy: Yeah. It is the woman’s fault. So when I’m saying, I’m saying choosing right on purpose, because they say that women are not. Appreciating them enough. Right. And so therefore, you know, and there have been, um, several mass shooters who have claimed to be, of course, in cells. So, you know, ugh, okay. So masculinity super [00:50:00] narrow.
Cathy: Um, and they’re not, men aren’t, aren’t expected to grow that much emotionally. I. You know what I mean?
Todd: Uh, yeah. Not much growth in revenge of the nerds or weird science, revenge of the nerds. Maybe a little bit because they
Cathy: win revenge entitlement though.
Todd: Yeah, right.
Cathy: You know? Yeah. It’s not like they become deeper, like, uh, Gilbert is already deep.
Cathy: Yeah. He and Judy have actually a normal friendship, romantic relationship. Yeah. But everything else is a little skewed. Um, again, girls are the sidekicks. They’re the punchlines, they’re the jokes, they’re the prizes. They’re not fully human. They’re love interests. They’re fantasies. Um, and then tools for their, you know, transformation.
Cathy: So, um, and then again, interestingly in I, revenge of the Nerds on Appearance looks like it has some diversity because Lamar, um, is, uh, a man of color and he’s also gay. Mm-hmm. And then we got, we have Takashi, but they’re stereotypes. Yeah. You know what I mean? They’re not like, um, and that’s really it. You [00:51:00] know what I mean?
Cathy: Yeah. It’s not like, it’s like diverse in the reality of our culture and what it’s like. It’s just more, um, they are sometimes the butt of the joke.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: You know, um, they’re stereotypes. They don’t have a lot of depth, played for laughs, et cetera. Um, you know, in revenge of the nerds, the moves are in it. The omega moves.
Cathy: And so there are some girls, but you don’t get to know anybody except Judy and Betty. Yeah. You know, so they’re just not a big part of it. And then again, as I’ve said a number of times, revenge is justice. Like in, you know, the belief that getting revenge is really what we need to do to have some kind of redemption.
Cathy: It’s very eighties. Yeah. You know, it’s, it’s very from us. So, are we ready for parenting? You got it.
Gonna be like you, the cat.
Todd: All right. Uh, I don’t, I have nothing for this.
Cathy: Okay. So. Gen Xers. Okay. I am just kind of gonna go into what we [00:52:00] believed, what we learned, and then how things are changing. So we rooted for the outsider, you know what I mean? Again, because of all these movies and all the stories, like we like the person who is the underdog.
Cathy: You still do this. And whenever we watch a um, matchup, you’re like, I want the underdog. I want the outsider. It’s
Todd: always rooting for the underdog.
Cathy: And, and the belief system, I’m gonna get kind of deep here, was that his outsiderness, um, and the mistreatment of him made him inherently good. And I’m using him on purpose.
Cathy: Mm-hmm. ’cause it was always men. Um, but what happens though, when that person is the underdog, but then they don’t really have any emotional stability or empathy or accountability either. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like we focused in nerd culture on IQ and underdog ness and we wanted them to win, but they didn’t always have emotional availability either.
Cathy: Right? Like were Gary, let’s just focus on Gary. ’cause Wyatt had a sweetness to him that they tried to portray. But was Gary like gonna help people? Like was Gary A. Good guy? Not
Todd: much Vulner vulnerability [00:53:00] going on with any of the. Characters in this
Cathy: with Debon Hilly.
Todd: Yeah. Debon Hill,
Cathy: Debon Hilly. I think
Todd: we watched this on Friday night and you knew exactly what those two girls’ names were, which is hilarious.
Cathy: Debon, hilly. Um, and so they, you know, I think in our culture now, now what we understand is the importance of eq, which is emotional intelligence and how that’s really what helps a person thrive and have a, a, a deeper self of under, uh, you know. Deeper sense of self understanding, but also to do good things in the world.
Cathy: Yeah, it’s not just about iq, but there’s still a lot of parents who are very focused on IQ who don’t make empathy or feelings a thing. So this is, you know, where did we get this from? Yeah, we got this from our pop culture. Um, again, you know, being smart was enough, et cetera. Um, nerds got a free pass, even went across the lines.
Cathy: Um, we didn’t, in these movies ask who was missing. Like, again, as parents, are we asking about girls, people of color, queer kids? Like who’s not in the picture? Because a lot [00:54:00] of these movies are focused on white, straight men. And again, yes, you can say, well, what about Lamar? Or what about, you know, Betty’s in it, or what about.
Cathy: Um, you know, Lisa or whatever, and she was so powerful. But again, you have to remember what they’re representing in the movie. Yeah. They might be in it, but they are not the people we’re focused on. And I kind of, I was thinking about John Hughes movies and I was thinking about how he wrote 16 candles for Molly Ringwald.
Cathy: Mm-hmm. Which is for her, she talks about that and she now sees it as kind of strange. She was
Todd: a little creepy.
Cathy: Right. And so she is the protagonist of that movie. But again, her whole arc is about Jake Ryan.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: You know what I mean? Like, when you really think about the person who had the biggest arc, even though it all ends up messed up in the parking lot of the church, it’s farmer Ted.
Todd: Mm-hmm.
Cathy: Like he has the biggest change or Jake.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: You know, so it’s like maybe I, I don’t, and, and again, the other women in the movie and the other girls are Carolyn, his girlfriend’s Carolyn Carol.
Todd: Good job sweetie. Um,
Cathy: you know, Carolyn isn’t portrayed that well, obviously. Um, Molly Ring World’s [00:55:00] sister is not portrayed, you know, it’s again.
Cathy: What’s the, what’s the vibe we’re getting from the movie? Are women really represented in a great way here? Um, again, this is a big one for the future. The tech and their brains were used for domination and, and fantasy. Mm-hmm. Right. This is where we are in our culture. Yeah. Is these nerds, I’m putting this in air, quote, grow up and if they don’t have the EQ part, then it’s all about domination, you know, dominating other people, having everything and, you know, living out of fantasy, getting their yachts, getting
Todd: their women.
Todd: Would this be an appropriate time to play either the two clips that you sent to me or no?
Cathy: Um, do, well, let’s talk about that. Um, I was gonna do that and what did it teach us, but let’s bring in the social network right now. Okay. So the social network is an interesting, like, parallel movie to these two movies.
Cathy: Um, in that it’s about Mark Zuckerberg’s rise and him creating Facebook. And [00:56:00] it portrays him very similar to these guys, even though a much more serious tone in that all he’s worried about is domination and winning. And who, why did he start Facebook in the first place? If we’re going by the movie and the books, it’s because a woman broke up with them.
Yeah.
Cathy: And so then he started doing the choose who you think is more beautiful, pitting women against each other. And then this became Facebook so he could get back in touch with his old girlfriend or have people meet girls. So it’s just so interesting. It’s the same thing. So at the end of the movie, one of the best parts, Andrew Garfield has this great monologue where when he realizes he’s been cut out of Facebook.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: Um, he goes after Mark. Here we
Todd: go.
Mark. He’s wired in, sorry. He’s wired in. Is he? Yes. How about now? Are you still wired in security? Do you wish for 24 million new shares of stock? You were told that if new investors came along, how much your shares diluted, how much were his. What was [00:57:00] Mr. Zuckerberg’s ownership share diluted down to?
It wasn’t. What was Mr. Moscowitz’s ownership share diluted down to? It wasn’t. What was Sean Parker’s ownership share diluted down to? It wasn’t. What was Peter Thiel’s ownership share diluted down to? It wasn’t. And what was your ownership share diluted down to
Todd: 0.03%. Is that good?
Cathy: So yes. It’s good for this reason.
Cathy: Talking about the eq, mark Zuckerberg, his best friend is Eduardo.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: Which is, you know, Andrew Garfield’s character and they build it together. Eduardo’s the one who came up with the algorithm and he’s the one who came out with the seed money.
Yes. You
Cathy: know, it was from him and he does not, and again, then Sean Parker gets involved.
Cathy: The guy who created Napster, played by Justin Timberlake, he actually ends up kind of getting, um. You know, mark into the California scene, the tech scene, and it get, you know, get pulls away from Eduardo, et cetera. Um, but it’s that EQ part. [00:58:00] He was willing, a lot of what the social network is about is you were willing to take the money and this trajectory over your friendship.
Cathy: Yeah. With Eduardo and you and Mark Zuckerberg didn’t really have a lot of friends, if any. No. So again, it’s that, you know, focus on what you have all this power and all this money, but. It’s never enough. I mean, we know this from the leadership we have right now that it’s never over. And it’s so interesting to hear Peter Thiel’s name in there again.
Cathy: Right? Because he’s still in our world, um, doing what he’s doing. They all are Zuckerberg is too. Um, so, uh, you know, again, we just didn’t expect these billionaires to become the power brokers of our time. Or did we, should we have, um. And, uh, I think that’s the gist of the parenting part. And where our eighties culture, you know, US Gen Xers have to reframe what we were taught.
Cathy: We have to unlearn what we were learned to recognize that for people, our children, to really be successful in the true meaning of success [00:59:00] is they have to have an understanding of their own emotional lives and their connection to compassion and their ability to have relationships and friendships and partnerships.
Cathy: Um, you know, I don’t know how happy Bill Belichick is with his 24, 20 4-year-old girlfriend. Maybe he is, I don’t know. But it seems, I mean, he’s literally triple the age of this woman. And again, a lot of people are portraying her as being the bad person. Have you noticed that?
Sure.
Cathy: And it may be, we don’t know Fair enough.
Cathy: But there is this belief that it’s more, she seems like more of a prize. Yeah. Right. It’s more like, oh my God, look what he got. Mm-hmm. Versus is he having a healthy relationship? And, um. We can all have our different viewpoints on that. People can email me and be like, well, he can do what he wants to do. Of course he can, but is this man, is this happiness, is this real connection?
Cathy: Or is this, is he living out what his generation told him, which is get the prizes. Yeah. You know, just like Jeff Bezos getting his fifth yacht. Yeah. Get the yacht, get the, you know, did he [01:00:00] doing it? Everybody’s, they’re looking for something in the wrong places. Yeah.
Todd: Trying to fill a hole that it doesn’t have a bottom.
Todd: Correct. Okay. All right. Ready for What did it teach you? Yeah.
Todd: All right. Uh, I got a few. Let’s hear it. Um, what did it teach us? True belonging comes from acceptance and not from being any type of status. Did it teach us that? Well, I think that’s. What I’m thinking of the nerds, not weird science, but
Cathy: theirs was all about connection. ’cause they brought all those nerds down.
Cathy: Yeah, yeah. They brought all those nerds down.
Todd: But you
Cathy: know what I mean, at the end,
Todd: uh, what else do I have here? Weird science. Do you have any? What did it teach us? Um, a lot of the same stuff. Um, fantasy is easy. Real connection is scary, but worth it. [01:01:00]
Cathy: Yes. And did, and again, I think I’m questioning this is the deep thought is did it teach us that?
Cathy: Like, did maybe in some ways, like there’s one scene in weird science. We were like, okay. They tried where Gary is saying goodnight to Deb, right? Is he with Deb or Hilly? I can’t remember. I don’t Whichever one he’s with. And he, she, he says, I need you to know that this is not really me. These are not my cool clothes.
Cathy: This is not my cool car. And then she says, well, whatever you are, I like it. That’s great. I think John Hughes is trying to throw in like, you know, he’s trying to be his true self. We didn’t get to really see it because before that he was kicking out a bunch of mutants at a party time last night.
Todd: I think this is, this is
Cathy: Wyatt.
Todd: Oh, you wa So it’s Gary that does that. It’s Gary. Got it. Yeah. Okay. I’ll find Gary.
Cathy: Hi Gary.
Todd: Deb, I have kind of confession
Cathy: to me. Oh, it’s Deb.[01:02:00]
I’m really not this cool. That’s not my car. It’s not my suit. I mean, none of those people are my friends. Why are you telling me all of this? Because I want you to like me for what I am. Whatever you are. I like it.
Todd: All right.
Cathy: And that’s nice. I guess. I don’t know if it’s earned, but we’ll take it. At
Todd: least it’s being honest.
Cathy: Yeah, I mean, I like that. I guess you’re right
Todd: because all that stuff’s gonna go away the minute Lisa becomes a gym teacher.
Cathy: Correct. She wants to go do that instead at Sharmer High School. So, yeah.
Cathy: So, um, you got anything else? I mean, I guess I kind of said this in parenting, but the eighties nerd movies set the stage for the tech power today. Yeah. You know, which, you know, nerds becoming the heroes, um, you know, their intelligence is what allowed them to gain control. Tech became a [01:03:00] weapon. You know, um, that, you know, they create a woman in revenge of the nerd.
Cathy: They sabotage with their tech power. You know, that’s how they spy and everything. Um, you know, this is kind of a gross message, Todd. If you’re smart, you can vent the world to your will. Mm-hmm. It’s very Elon Musk, you know? Yeah. Um, so the misunderstood genius myth, you know, became huge. You know, tech leaders are still seen as awkward, genius geniuses who earn their power.
Cathy: Like we still. So one of the things that I wanted you to play at this point is there’s this great clip, and again, this is coming out a few weeks after this clip came out. So I, many things may have happened with Elon Musk by this time, but Scott Galloway, who is someone on the, you know, that Todd and I follow, he’s on the Pivot podcast and he’s a, um, entrepreneur in his own right.
Cathy: Um, he was on Pi Morgan and he had this, uh, this take on Elon Musk that I thought was really important for us to hear.
I owned a Tesla. [01:04:00] Um, but somehow we’ve decided in America that innovation and money replaces or obviates or excuses, depravity, uh, cutting off aid to HIV positive mothers deciding what veterans who get benefits cutting off snap payments, which have shown to have a positive net return when people run outta money for food at the end of the month.
I mean, I, I think one of the wonderful things about being an American, and quite frankly one of, for me, what it means to be a man and what I try to teach my boys is the whole point of prosperity is that’s, that you can protect people. Mm. And I think the two of you are more impressed with Mr. Muss than I am.
I think if somebody is making Nazi salutes, uh, if somebody is being sued concurrently by two women for sole custody of their child because that person has not spent any time with that child. When someone is so severely addicted to drugs, they can’t get their shit together to show up to the [01:05:00] White House without looking exceptionally high.
I don’t think that’s the right role model for young men. So what I would ask to all of us is look at what money has done to us that good. That if someone can land a rocket on metal Ss,
Cathy: look at what money has done to us. And this is the thank you, Scott. The tech power, you know, piece. This is, you know, and again, I’m Todd and I are not saying, so we blame weird science and revenge of the nerds.
Cathy: What we’re trying to connect is the, the culture from our time. Yeah. And what we learned and took in and how it like formed our opinions about what’s most important. And you know, here we have Scott Gallo Galloway pointing out. You know, we look at what it’s done to us. Look at the depravity, look at what we’re willing to do to hurt people so we can say we have more money and that we win.
Cathy: You know, it’s, it’s, it’s depraved. So I think that’s good for what we learned.
Todd: All right, now we’re on to Cringle Classic, [01:06:00] right?
Cathy: Yep.
Nobody puts
Todd: kids in the corner.
Todd: Oh, Johnny, he’s the best, uh, cringe. Classic. What do I have, if anything? I, only thing I have, um, I. For cringe of classic is the theme song to weird science. That’s cringe. Oh, right. Oh my God.
Cathy: No, I love the theme song. Really. I love the opening of this movie. And by the way, at the beginning of this podcast, you played the wrong version of Weird science.
Cathy: You played the song Weird Science, but you played the radio edit. Oh, and I like the other one that has, that’s used at the beginning of the movie.
Todd: Oh, I don’t know if I can figure that one out.
Cathy: Well, if you go to the very go to the opening scene of Weird Science it, where they’re watching them do gymnastics.
Cathy: Yeah, completely. You know, and they. They [01:07:00] play it.
Todd: All right. Let me see if I can find it. Um, do
Cathy: you want, as you’re looking for it, do you want me to talk? Yeah, go
Todd: ahead. Yeah, go ahead.
Cathy: So I have to say that for as much as I’ve seen these movies and I had a lot of, uh, gen X enjoyment of them, the truth is they’re super cringe.
Cathy: Mm-hmm. Because it’s hard for me to overlook all of these pieces that are so, they’re hard to, what is, what’s the word I’m looking for? It’s hard for me to be like, that’s a great movie. Yeah. Because it’s, it’s pretty significant. So many things
Todd: that are wrong with it. There’s
Cathy: so many things that are wrong.
Cathy: Again, they are important time capsules. Yeah. Here we go.
Look, we’re, we’re sorry
She’s alive.[01:08:00]
Todd: Lot going on with this song.
Cathy: I love it. I, I love it.
Todd: Really?
Cathy: Yes, I have fun. It’s Win Go Boingo.
Todd: How many, how many playlists is this song on for you? I’m guessing zero.
Cathy: Todd, if you look at my phone right now, you’ll see it. It is on two different playlists.
Todd: Really.
Cathy: It’s on my, um, like fun, like dance, long walk, playlist, many things with that playlist.
Cathy: And then my other one is the one I made for the girls a long time ago. Mm-hmm. So I do have that version of the song. And again, I, it may not be a good song standing by itself. I just relate it to this time and this movie, you know what I mean? I do. It’s got memories. It’s kind of like John Par Man in Motion is not the greatest song, but I relate it to say Namos Fire.
Cathy: Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, I
Todd: do.
Cathy: Um, so, so I gotta go with cringe even though like, you know, you’ve gotta
Todd: go with
Cathy: classic or.
Todd: No, I gotta go with cringe. Weird Science.
Cathy: The song I’m talking about The movies overall.
Todd: Oh, you’re talking about the movie? Are we [01:09:00] are, are you Eva evaluating the movie or the song Weird Science?
Cathy: No, the the cla I like the song. So that’s a classic. Correct.
Todd: The movie is cringe.
Cathy: The movies, this whole both vibe. Yeah. Is it It has to land on cringe if we’re doing a meter.
Todd: Yes.
Cathy: The meter bends to cringe.
Todd: Yeah. I feel like this is designed for
Cathy: sweetie, you should get a, uh, a sound effect that’s like a meter.
Cathy: Does it bend cringe or does it bend Classic?
Todd: I could probably come up with something. Okay, we’ll
Cathy: find that for the next one. Sweetie. What
Todd: about this song?
Cathy: We love this one.
Cathy: They’re working on the house.
Todd: Sounds very Talking is head talking Heads ish, but it’s not. Yeah,
Cathy: it’s not
Todd: as Bone Symphony, whoever they are.
Cathy: It’s a very, again, very eighties sounding song. Um, but yeah, like Revenge of the Nerds has a lot of songs [01:10:00] in it
Todd: does,
Cathy: because it also has, are you ready? Blah. The sex,
Todd: uh, I’m gonna go ahead and say that both these movies are cringed just because of the ridiculous, uh.
Todd: Sexual assault.
Cathy: Yeah, I, I think we can just then say that,
Todd: um, how about this?
May the force be with me. May the force be with you. May the force be with you. May the fool be with you.
Todd: May the force be with you. All right. It’s best quote time. Okay. You wanna go first? I got a feeling we have the same
Cathy: one. I think we, we might for, uh, revenge of the nerds, but not for weird science.
Cathy: Oh, did you do one for each? Yes.
Todd: Oh, got it.
Cathy: And, and you don’t have to
Todd: do one for each. Um, I’m gonna just, uh, let’s see if I can find it. Where is my, I I’m gonna go with,
are
Cathy: you going with the telephone?
Todd: Uh, no. I’m, I’m, I got a, I have a feeling you’re gonna do that one, but I,
here’s the bottom line, Wyatt. I’m telling mom and dad everything.
Todd: I’m even considering making up some shit. There you go. It’s just classic [01:11:00] shut. What are you at?
Cathy: I don’t ha You would have to find mine and you don’t have to find it. Yeah. Because we have other things, but I like at the very beginning of the movie, it made me laugh This time when Gary’s in Why it’s bathroom?
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: And he’s just like making a total mess. Yeah. And why? It says to him, Gary, don’t make a mess in my bathroom. Okay. Yeah, exactly. And then they like show that he’s like, has, um, you know, shaving cream everywhere. And then a very like Schirmer high school thing to say why it says because the cleaning lady’s not coming till Monday.
Cathy: Yes. So he’s not gonna clean it up. Um, and then my favorite quote from Revenge of the Nerds, only because it’s the one you and I say all the time is I just wanted to say I’m a nerd. And, and I’m pretty, pretty proud. Proud of it. I’m pretty proud.
Todd: That’s right.
Cathy: I mean, haven’t we all said that at one time or another?
Cathy: That’s right.
Todd: We all have.
Cathy: Um, so that’s that.
Todd: Yeah.
Cathy: Um, where are they now?
Todd: Where are they now?
Where brought you now?
Cathy: Well, you not better nature.
Todd: I didn’t do any [01:12:00] work for this one. You
Cathy: know what? I am missing a piece of paper. Oh no. So I can’t do it.
Todd: Anything from memory?
Cathy: Yes. Uh, let’s see. I will say that, let’s talk about Anthony Michael Hall.
Cathy: This is all off the top of my head you guys, so forgive me. Um, he’s obviously still out there acting. He was in, he was also in Zodiac. Was he in Zodiac? He was the, I
Todd: don’t think so.
Cathy: He was the guy, look him up. Anyway, he’s also, um, been like guest hosting on a, on not guest hosting, guest starring on a lot of shows.
Cathy: Um, he was in a few movies, like I think he was in like a Stephen King movie. He obviously hasn’t had the fame that he had in the eighties. Mm-hmm. Um, but he’s still out there doing his thing.
Todd: Great.
Cathy: Um, one thing I’m gonna go back and forth between Revenge of the Nerds and Yeah, go ahead. Um, weird science is that Anthony Edwards is actually now an advocate, um, for people who have been boys who have been sexually assaulted.
Cathy: Oh,
good for him.
Cathy: Um, he came out and told his story of being [01:13:00] sexually assaulted, I think when he was in his late forties. Yeah. He said, not sharing that news really changed so much of his life. When he was young, he was depressed. All these things blamed himself. And now he is an advocate and outspoken. And it’s, it’s interesting ’cause I was listening to a completely different podcast called, um, betrayed all these podcasts I listened to and he was on it.
Cathy: He came on to talk about boys who have been harmed, um, especially by other men. So that’s a big thing for him.
Todd: It says, Anthony Michael Hall is known for War Machine. Never heard of it. Never heard of it. Live by night. Never heard of it. Never heard Fox Catcher. I didn’t see Fox Catcher.
Cathy: I didn’t either. But we know that movie.
Cathy: He’s in the Dark Knight, isn’t he? That’s the movie I was thinking of. Not Zodiac, but The Dark Knight. He’s the journalist.
Todd: Yeah,
Cathy: that was the movie. Um, let’s see, who are some other people that are still around that we see obviously why it’s not around anymore? Uh, bill Paxton, who played Che, he died. Yeah. Um,
Todd: which is he topped out at, uh, Titanic.
Cathy: Yes. [01:14:00] Which, it’s so funny ’cause they did not put that as one of his, he was in Big Love and he was in Avatar too, right? No Avatar. I don’t
Todd: know. Uh, I’m just gonna go through some actors. You tell me if you know anything about what they’ve been doing the last 10 years. Okay. Robert. Robert Carine. And they haven’t seen him?
Todd: No, not really. Ed McKinley?
Cathy: Yeah, he’s in, we talked about him. He’s in shrinking now.
Todd: Uh, Julia Montgomery. Betty Childs?
Cathy: No. Nothing that
Todd: I’m aware
Cathy: of.
Todd: Uh, yes. And let’s see, then, um, weird Science. Kelly, the Brock seen her around lately. Just in those Jean Claude Van Dam movies. Robert Downey Jr. Yes. What’s he been doing?
Todd: He’s been a few
Cathy: things.
Todd: What’s he been doing since Cap? Uh, since, uh, Ironman.
Cathy: Well, he’s gonna stay in the Marvel universe and he’s gonna be a villain.
Todd: Oh
Cathy: really? Yeah. They, they, he’s gonna be a different character in Marvel Universe. Yeah. But he was also, he just won an Academy Award a couple years ago for Oppenheimer.
Cathy: Like he’s doing just fine. Yeah.
Todd: Um, okay. Are we ready for the music game? Yes.
That [01:15:00] song makes me go.
Todd: So this is the part where Kathy and I come up with a song that encapsulates the energy, the vibe of this podcast based on what the topics are. In this case, nerds. Revenge of the nerds. Weird science. I’m a little nervous about mine, so I’m gonna go first just because I got a feeling yours gonna be better, but maybe mine’s gonna be better.
Todd: Who knows? And I just need to pull it up and it is right here. Ooh, good. Really? Yes. You’re always so kind.
Cathy: You, you surprised me with We captured it. You got it.
Todd: Yeah, the nerds aren’t gonna take it
Cathy: because you did something that I did not do in mine, which was this is also from our generation. Yeah. So you put together, you found the song that kind of brought both movies together.
Cathy: All right. Yeah. That’s good. I kind of went in a different way. I decided to be more [01:16:00] current. Okay. In a song choice, and you probably don’t know this song. Um, safe to say it’s called Cool Kids. Okay. Uh, by Echosmith and go in like about 28, 30 seconds so we can get to the verse. Okay. Um, be the
who
Cathy: is Falling behind.
Cathy: Maybe go in a little more. If you can get to the chorus. Can you see that lyrics? She says, here we go.
Cathy: I remember this song from, I think when JC was in high school 10 years ago. Yeah. Or so It couldn’t have been high school. It must have been middle school. Um. ’cause she’s 22. Yeah. So about middle school and she really liked it. And so it’s on one of my playlists and as I was going through my music, I was like, this is what it’s about.
Cathy: But what I have to say, Todd Yeah. Is [01:17:00] I think your song captures the vibe of the movies.
Todd: Yes. A little better than Cool Kid. I would’ve done. We Are The Champions, but that’s at the end in the movie, end of the movie. And everybody knows that we can’t do that.
Cathy: And speaking of, there are two things that we did not play that are very essential to Revenge of the Nerds.
Cathy: Yes. Number one is that scene when they’re at the bonfire and Gilbert finally takes the microphone. Yeah. And also we did not play. The talent show. Well, we gotta do that. We, maybe we should end with the talent show.
Todd: All right, let’s end with the talent show. Yeah.
Cathy: And I was just
Todd: gonna tease it.
Cathy: Yeah.
Todd: Um, and I’ll try to find that speech.
Todd: Let’s do some trivia first. Okay. Let’s do that first. We gotta do this.
Todd: No good enough. Uh, not a ton of trivia. Okay. Just a little bit. What’s the name of the high school? Gary and Wyatt attended Shermer High School. Very good. What role does Lisa take on in the final scene of the movie? I already gave that away. Uh, from Nerds. Uh, the music [01:18:00] competition scene was inspired by which?
Todd: Real life? Eighties band Devo. Very good. Uh, what’s booger’s real first name?
Cathy: Oh, I know this. They say they call him by that name. I can’t remember.
Todd: Dudley. Dudley, um, what is the name of the college that they attend?
Cathy: Adams. And that is our last name. So this is what’s funny, the Adams. Adams. So it’s A-D-A-M-S and then they are the A-T-O-M-S.
Todd: That’s right. Um, and then the last one’s kind of dumb ’cause you already said it. What’s the name of the sorority that helps the nerds? The um, omega moves. Omega moves very good. Um, and we didn’t do the best scene. We’re still kinda, I
Cathy: think that’s where we Yeah. Best scene was the one that, where we were gonna play those things.
Cathy: Those
the truth. Baby rock call, they were for like a month. I’m talking devotion man. Every damn night. Every night, [01:19:00] Mitch, I ain’t playing with you on the telephone.
On the telephone, man. Damn. We know there’s some telephone
Todd: that’s so good.
Cathy: And then she hung up on him.
Todd: That’s right.
Cathy: Um, so yes, that’s the probably our, that’s the scene that makes us laugh the most.
Todd: And then you had this one too.
Would you please turn me back to normal? Please chat. I haven’t done anything to you.
No, but you’ve done plenty to your brother. Like what? Well, let me see. Uh, you’ve nagged him. Harassed him, suppressed him to fear you. Extorted money from him. Stun outta love. She just for that I ought to give you a set of elephant balls. Hey.
Todd: He kinda looks like, um, uh, pizza the hut from space balls. Yes.
Todd: Crossed with jab of the hut. Mm-hmm. From Star Wars. Return of the Jedi. Sorry. [01:20:00] Technically.
Mm-hmm.
Cathy: Yeah. Well, and that just so, because people can’t see it, um, Lisa turns Chet into like a big gross, like Java kind of character, and he’s making all those bubbly farty sounds. Yes.
Todd: It’s pretty funny. He’s like,
Cathy: it’s done outta love.
Todd: Um, any final thoughts that we didn’t get to that you want to make sure
Cathy: we got to? Like I said, I’m totally missing a page from everything I wrote here, so I don’t know. Um, but I think that, um, this
Todd: was the, uh, this.
No one’s really gonna be free until nerd persecution ends.
Cathy: That’s right. Right. And so that’s the thing is what, you know, maybe what I’ll say is that there was some good messages that was offered to us about that we’re okay as we are. And then there was some messages offered to us about consent and the way we treat women and, um, and others and about revenge and exploitation and all that.
Cathy: But [01:21:00] the intention at the time, ’cause we have to remember that we know what we know when we know it is, um, when we know better, we do better. How’s it, how about that? Is that the intention at the time was to empower. Um, so hopefully it empowered us in a, in a positive way in some ways that we can hold onto and then let go of the other aspects of it that maybe weren’t as helpful in the long run.
Todd: And this is kind of a hidden line that I think is funny from weird science that not many people talk about.
Why they created me on the computer, not gonna scan you and listen to this below me. He won’t, you know, he doesn’t stand for below me.
Todd: He doesn’t stand good old nanny and grampy.
Cathy: Hey nanny. Hey grampy.
Cathy: Um, and then also the scene we didn’t play where Gary’s like, uh, he’s a plumber, so, uh, I get a plumb, I gets you a plumb
Todd: dad.
Cathy: Um, so yeah, there’s, there’s a lot in there. Did I send you any other
Todd: quotes? I, I think that was all of ’em. Yeah. So thanks for listening everybody. Interesting.
Cathy: And what we will say is you [01:22:00] can find weird science, I think on Paramount Plus.
Cathy: But, um, you can’t find revenge of the nerds anywhere. No. Todd and I had to kind of piece it together through YouTube clips and memory.
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just for a little [01:23:00] bit.
Round two. Change a little bit. And change a little bit. Pretty pleasant.
