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Todd: It’s kind of a simple theme song, isn’t it?

Cathy: Yeah. Did like everyone you go to school with, learn how to play it on the piano and then we’d all try and freak each other out. Yeah.

Todd: Um,

Cathy: boom. I wanna go, boom. Oh, there, it’s, that’s where it gets creepy. Boom. That’s where the, the Jacko lantern starts coming closer to us.

Todd: How many times do you think you’ve seen this movie, sweetie? Uh, 83. Definitely. 83.

Cathy: Something like that.

Todd: 82. 82. 82. Uh, that’s what Rainman says when he is come to toothpicks. It could

Cathy: be 82.

Todd: Um, so it’s fright month or October. It’s fright October.

Cathy: Do you have any scary monster sounds? Uh, I used to have one. Used to have one that went, oh, uh, that.

Todd: I might have some. [00:01:00] Yeah,

Cathy: because like Todd said, first of all, this is Zen Pop parenting where Gen X pop culture meets real life reflection. And Todd and I decided, I don’t know, like three months ago, that we were gonna make October of just a scary month. Oh my. Oh my. Sounded like Java, didn’t it? That’s very creepy.

Cathy: What about this? It was so in my ears. Oh, that sounded

Todd: like

Cathy: a fart. That totally did. That doesn’t work.

Todd: I don’t know how to stop it. Oh, there we go. I stopped it. I’m gonna do one. The first one’s scary. This one’s called Weird Monster Souls.

Cathy: I, yeah. You know what that sounds like. It sounds like the scary people who come up during ghost and take away Oh, yeah,

Todd: yeah, yeah.

Todd: People. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I wanna do one more. Let’s, this is called Monster, scary Monster.

Cathy: Okay. Oh, that’s a. First of all, neither of those are monsters. Neither of them are scary. So

Todd: hold on. One more monster in cave number one. Oh.[00:02:00]

Todd: Yeah, that sounds like a monster. What’s going

Cathy: on in cave number two? I choose door number three.

Todd: Um, so yeah, we’re doing, we don’t know what we’re doing next week, but it’s gonna be scary month.

Cathy: It’s scary month. So this, and if you’re listening to this on the Tuesday, it comes out, we know it’s not October yet, but it, the week is October.

Cathy: It will be soon enough. It will be soon. So we are in October, basically, and we decided, we went through a lot of things like how do we start? And Todd said, you know what people really wanna hear are, are classics, old classics are boogeyman. So we are going with the uh, uh. You know, I would say the best horror movie of all time, it kind of set the stage.

Cathy: And it is Halloween by John Carpenter. Boy, it’s hot. Is that a hot take sweetie? Um, maybe, uh, I, I, we’re gonna be doing some, I think it’s a safe pick. I don’t think it’s that hot. It’s, and you know what the reason, it may be hot to you or to people listening, but I’m talking about me because remember when we do this thing, I’m not trying to like people please everybody.

Cathy: I’m, you know, you’re just being honest. We did Boy Bands and [00:03:00] hairbands remember, and I was really excited. I really loved those stage.

Todd: We gotta do that again. We gotta break back. Do that again.

Cathy: I, so I’m just telling you my experience with horror movies and I, I would call myself, and this is, I, I’m in a very strange category with horror movies.

Cathy: I love them and I have a really hard time watching them.

Todd: You have, you love them so much you can’t watch ’em.

Cathy: Correct. And when I was young, oh, you know what? That’s, remember when, let’s set the stage. I gotta stay on Target.

Clip: Remember? Stay on target. All right, let’s set the stage. Let’s set the scene.

Todd: All right. Um, I’m gonna set the scene. All right. Let’s hear it. So, this movie took place in 1978, correct? And I’m guessing most people don’t remember it that well, because they probably haven’t seen it in a long time. So I’m just gonna give you a paragraph of, all right, what happens in this movie? Let’s hear it.

Todd: On Halloween night, 1963. 1963, 6-year-old Michael Myers murders his sister [00:04:00] in Haddenfield, Illinois. I wonder if Haddenfield is a real place. It is not.

Cathy: Uh, Haddenfield is a place in California, um, that’s a town in California that Deborah Hill was from the producer. Okay. But they wanted to be in Illinois because Midwest is scarier because nothing bad is supposed to happen here.

Cathy: Oh, interesting. Yeah. All right.

Todd: 15 years later, Michael Escapes custody, steals a car. We gotta talk about the car escape. We gotta talk

Cathy: about him. His driver’s license and he

Todd: returns home. Donning coveralls. And a white mask to stalk teen babysitter, Lori Strode. Now,

Cathy: but you never use the word dawning. So what

Todd: does he really do?

Todd: He puts on a mask. No, no. He dawns sweetie. He’s a doner. When I think of Michael Myers, I think of dawning. I don’t even know what Doning means. That’s so written by ai. Yes, it is. What does it say? He returns home donning coveralls. I’m donning my green. She come home, he steals the coveralls from the, the gas station.

Todd: Maybe [00:05:00] donning and stealing means the same thing. Okay. Whatever. So yeah, we’ll talk about the coveralls. And a white MA is stalked, teen babysitter, Laurie Strode. As Dr. Loomis, our fearless leader. He’s, he knows what’s up. And sheriff bracket, search Michael, shadows Lori and her friends, he just kind of pops up.

Cathy: First of all, sheriff bracket is not searching for anybody. No,

Todd: he’s, he’s, there’s a lot of adults not doing a whole lot.

Cathy: Where are they?

Todd: Where

Cathy: are they? Where are the parents

Todd: sweetie? Quick trivia. Who are Lori’s friends? There’s no way, you know this.

Cathy: Um,

Todd: two girlfriends.

Cathy: Yes. I know their name, Nancy.

Todd: Mm. Maybe Nancy’s in it, but that’s not who I have here.

Cathy: Um, I, I have them. Let me, let me tell you what their names are. Their names are Annie. Yep. Her name in real life is Nancy Loomis. That’s why he said that. And Linda, very good. Those are the most, Linda’s the most eighties name ever.

Todd: So our fearless leader, um, Michael Myers. Um,

Cathy: is he a leader? Yeah, he’s a leader of killing.

Cathy: Sorry to like ruin your paragraph’s, but a lot of it doesn’t. We’ll get through it.

Todd: Lori and her friends. Uh, so, [00:06:00] so he kills Annie. Then Bob might have talked about the Bob scene and Linda at the Wallace house, worried by a strange phone call. Lori crosses over discover, discovers her friend’s bodies arranged with Judith Meyer’s, stolen tombstone, which we gotta

Cathy: talk about how Michael carried that.

Todd: Oh yes. That’s a really heavy remember

Cathy: tombstone, remember? So he took

Todd: his,

Cathy: is Judith the sister that he killed? So, yes. So there is a point when they’re looking for Michael. There’s so many things you are going over because the whole movie is really about Michael’s path back to Haddenfield. Okay. Okay. And he, there’s all sorts of places he goes, like, he goes to the hardware store and he breaks into the hardware store and the sheriff’s like, oh, it’s just a bunch of kids.

Cathy: But really it’s Michael. And he’s getting all sorts of equipment. He’s getting tools. He’s, he’s

Todd: gonna, he’s going to refinish a garage.

Cathy: It’s like things are going down the tonight. And then he goes to the cemetery and Dr. Lewis goes there too. And the headstone is missing. Oh, no. So Michael, Michael, and, and we gotta [00:07:00] even back up to why little Michael killed his sister in the first place.

Cathy: Okay. Like, there’s so many scenes to set.

Todd: I know, but I didn’t wanna say the whole movie in this paragraph. I’m almost done. I promise. Okay, go ahead. Um, so, uh, Lori flees back to the Dole House, protects the kids, Tommy and Lindsay, correct. And twice wounds. Michael. Yes. Once with a knitting needle. Yes. In the closet.

Todd: Later in the eye and chest. Yet he keeps rising. Oh no. She gets him with a hanger once. Uh, yeah. Maybe it’s a hanger. Loomis arrives in time to shoot Michael six times and knocks him off a balcony. But when he checks the lawn, the body is gone. Leaving Lori sobbing and Michael breathing, echoing in the night.

Todd: Play the song again,

Cathy: because that’s what they play. When Dr. Loomis looks over and she says. Was that the boogeyman?

Todd: Yes.

Cathy: And he says a matter of fact,

Todd: sweetie, you’re stepping on something I’m gonna share midway through. Sorry. You can, I’m, that’s just a really good end because we’re gonna play that in real [00:08:00] time with a new spin on

Cathy: it.

Cathy: Great. And I think, you know what I’m, I already know what that spin is. Okay. So go. I’m gonna stay and set the scene for a second. Okay. And just talk about the very beginning of this movie. So there’s a lot of reasons why this movie is so scary, um, and. You know, I’ll get, we’ll, we can get into even more during random facts, but first of all, horror movies weren’t really a thing at the time.

Cathy: Like there were no slasher movies. There was nothing like that. And this movie was not only terrifying because of where it was located in the Midwest, where nothing’s supposed to happen, plus things are happening when the sun is up. Like Michael is stalking them during the day. Yeah. Which is terrifying because most,

Todd: yeah, not closely.

Cathy: He, he should wait until nighttime.

Todd: Come on. He’s, he’s got no manners. He’s

Cathy: totally like creeping around in his little car. He’s, he stole a car from the institution and it says on the side. Like city of whatever. Yeah. It’s obviously an institution car yet, and it’s like a station wagon, but no one’s like, and he’s going like [00:09:00] five miles per hour.

Cathy: Nobody cares. Yeah. Everybody’s like that guy’s just going five miles per hour while wearing a mask. I think he also got his mask from the hardware store, but I digress. So

Todd: he probably did too.

Cathy: The other part that’s really creepy is that the whole movie starts with you looking through his eyes. Okay. So that was a new idea too, right.

Cathy: We’re not going to be the protagonist. We’re gonna look through the eyes of the the murderer. Yeah, that’s right. So you’re seeing through the eyes of a clown mask that he’s wearing when he’s a kid, which is why he’s obsessed with masks as he gets older.

Clip: Sure.

Cathy: So this is like a just a point we could discuss.

Cathy: Right now he looks through the window, he’s been trick or treating little boy. Mm-hmm. And you don’t know he is a little boy yet, but he looks through the window and his sister, Judith and boyfriend, are totally making out and about to have sex. Okay, sweetie. They’re necking. They go upstairs to Judah’s bedroom and then the boyfriend leaves.

Cathy: That’s when Michael goes in and stabs his sister.

Clip: That’s cool. So

Cathy: what’s going on?

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: Is [00:10:00] he mad about that? She’s now not pure to him.

Todd: That’s what I give to Michael for stabbing his sister.

Cathy: And you and I kind of laughed the other night when we saw this, but when Michael walks outside, takes off his masks and is holding a bloody knife, his parents are just standing there looking at him.

Cathy: Yeah. They have no response.

Todd: Well, uh, real quick about that moment. So they take off his masks and I feel like they could have found a more disturbed looking kid because

Cathy: just looked like Johnny down the street.

Todd: He looks like a cutie pie.

Cathy: Yeah, he’s a total sweet. And maybe

Todd: that makes it more scary, but gimme some kid that’s got a little kind of edge edge to him.

Todd: And this kid looks like he’s just eating cereal, watching cartoons,

Cathy: who’s wants to go eat his bag of candy.

Todd: Yes.

Cathy: And the thing is, is why that’s important. And again, we’re totally. Just picking this apart, but later on Dr. Loomis is like, he’s got the evil eyes Yeah. And the eyes of the devil. And it’s like he kind of doesn’t Yeah.

Cathy: As a little boy. Yeah. Um, but anyway, then we flash forward to [00:11:00] 1963. It’s 15 how many years later? 15 years. Uh,

Todd: six. I don’t know. Who knows?

Cathy: Um, it goes for, no, he did this in 1963, and then he comes back in 1978. Mm-hmm. So do the math.

Todd: Uh, 78, 63. That’s about 15 years.

Cathy: There you go. So, um, so anyway, that’s like the whole beginning and that, and for me, that really is a terrifying premise, right?

Cathy: Like that kids, I don’t really like it when kids get involved, but they basically, for the majority of the time, um, he’s an adult in a mask.

Todd: Can I play a little bit of Dr. Loomis? Yes. All right.

Clip: Telephone. Tell him exactly who walked out of here last night and tell him exactly where he’s going. Probably going.

Clip: I’m wasting my time. Sam Haddenfield is 150 miles away from here now, now for god’s sakes. He can’t drive a car. He was,

Todd: oh, he could drive a car. Can we talk about the car real quick? This is,

Cathy: they were mistaken.

Todd: Yes.

Cathy: He’s, he’s crushing as a driver.

Todd: Yes. So, okay. So the kid’s six years old. Right? I know they did this under re watchable.

Todd: Right. But we can’t not address them. We can’t look for [00:12:00] it. Right. He’s six years old. He’s been in an institution for 15 years. Yeah. So he’s 21 now.

Cathy: Basically. Serious lockdown.

Todd: Serious lockdown. Because

Cathy: he’s like scary and bad.

Todd: He needs to figure out how to put it in gear.

Cathy: Yes.

Todd: He needs to navigate the gas pedal and the brake.

Cathy: Yes.

Todd: He needs to be able to,

Cathy: he stops at the gas station to get gas. Who taught him that?

Todd: How did he and what did he And

Cathy: money, what did he pay to get the gas? Well, he killed the guy and took his, he doned his overalls. He killed the guy working there or the guy who had the truck and put on his overalls. So maybe he just sold the gas and then, but how did he even know to do gas?

Todd: Does he have an atlas? Does does he have a map? How does he get to Haddenfield Hatfield, we had no GPS. I got grown friends that wouldn’t know how to get to Haddonfield now, much less if they were institutionalized since they were six.

Cathy: And how do he get there? Driving five miles per hour

Todd: like he does. And he is got that sweet little wagon.

Cathy: He’s, it’s a, [00:13:00] he’s creeping around. He’s creeper. He’s such a creeper. Um, so anyway, that is definitely a challenge right there. And I love that they say that Yes. That he can’t drive. And you know, Dr. Loomis is like, well, oh yes he can. And this was something you didn’t pick up on, um, the other night. But the, the scene we’re talking about is Dr.

Cathy: Loomis and a nurse who’s driving the car. Yeah. I don’t know that. And she’s got her

Todd: nursing hat on too. Yeah.

Cathy: They’re like going to pick up Michael. ’cause he’s going to be transferred somewhere. Yeah. And Dr. Loomis is like, I don’t know if we should do this. And the only two people are gonna, who are gonna go do it is this one nurse.

Cathy: Yeah. And Dr. Loomis. And they, I think she’s there ’cause she’s supposed to medicate him. Whatever.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: When they get there. It’s of course rainy because it’s a horror movie and you look around and all the people from the institution are walking around.

Clip: Mm-hmm.

Cathy: And did you really not notice that? No, I didn’t.

Cathy: It’s kind of like you can only see them in the headlights. Yeah. But that’s the first sign that something is amiss.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: Okay. So he probably just opened the door and said, everybody [00:14:00] run? Yeah,

Todd: let’s go. Run for us. Run. Let’s go. Let’s get outta here. It’s kind of like, uh, I feel like that’s from a movie where they’re trying to set everybody free.

Todd: Like, I don’t know. My brain’s not one

Cathy: foot over the Cuckoo’s Nest. Yeah. No,

Todd: the Native American just escapes, but I guess Jack Nicholson. Aren’t they

Cathy: all trying to like get out though? Yeah. Isn’t that the goal? Or maybe it’s just to take over. I don’t remember that movie as well.

Todd: Um, uh, so one other thing about set the scene before we move on, unless you have something different, it wa was made for $325,000

Cathy: uhhuh and

Todd: it grossed over 70 million worldwide.

Todd: So nice job. Atta boy, whoever made this, what was that guy’s name last night?

Cathy: Uh, well we watched a little show about how they made this and there was like a dude, a producer, dude, he knew John Carpenter from another movie, asked John Carpenter to do Halloween. John Carpenter and his girlfriend also producer Debra Hill wrote it and then they just kind of all did it on a total shoestring budget, as you said, $300,000, put their friends in it, like one of his best friends placed Michael.

Cathy: [00:15:00] Yeah. Blah, blah, blah. Um. And so, yeah. They just, they did it and he was smart. You know, John Carpenter has, he knew what was scary. Yeah. And he, if you’ve ever seen the thing, we watched a thing for the first time last year, but, and some people

Todd: think the thing is like one of the best, the scariest

Cathy: mm-hmm.

Todd: Best movie.

Todd: And I saw it once, I feel like I need to see it again because I wasn’t scared for some reason. Yeah.

Cathy: We, I think we watched it at a time when we were also watching, um,

Todd: Benet Mass,

Cathy: not Midnight Mass. We were watching the True Detective with Jodi Foster. Oh, okay. Which was based on the thing. Oh,

Todd: interesting.

Todd: You know, like the

Cathy: Okay, so

Todd: inspired the thing Inspired, correct. Yeah.

Cathy: And that’s something we could kind of end set the scene with is John Carpenter with Halloween inspired slasher movies and horror movies. Yeah. And John Carpenter with the thing inspired a whole different kind of science fiction. So he’s very, um, and oh, we’ll wait, we’ll save it to random facts.

Cathy: So let’s go remember when.[00:16:00]

Clip: You couldn’t wait.

Todd: Um, I don’t have many for remember one. I, I don’t remember when I saw this movie. Okay. I certainly didn’t see it in the theater. Okay. Alan and Sharon were smart enough not to take me to this one. Uh, I’m sure I saw it, a VHS and was terrified, but I don’t have anything, uh, more specific than that.

Cathy: Yeah. One interesting thing about this movie is because it came out with any kind of, uh, marketing, um. Group behind it where someone, what’s that called? Like promotional distributed distributor thing? Yeah, it didn’t have a distributor. So the first year it came out, um, which was, what did we say? 1978? I can’t remember when this movie came out, 1978.

Cathy: It, it was in the theaters and there was some word of mouth, but it, it wasn’t the biggest thing. And then every year it kept going back to the theaters. Mm-hmm. So it had a bunch of lives because of the name. Yeah. It’s called Halloween. So every Halloween, everyone’s like, let’s put Halloween on the big screen.

Cathy: And if you [00:17:00] remember, we did airplane last week and we talked about how. If a, if you didn’t see the movie in the theater, you were not gonna see it again until it was on tv. Right. You

Todd: had to wait it out.

Cathy: Right. But Halloween was one of those movies, again, it’s 19, uh, 78, and it had been in the theater a couple years.

Cathy: And so it was also in that era of where the movie channel came and that type of thing. I saw Halloween in seventh grade, so, um, what year would that be for me? I was born in 1971 and I was 12, so. Um,

Todd: I love it when you try to do math on a podcast. I’m so

Cathy: bad at Math 81, but 1983. Yeah. In the very early eighties.

Cathy: So I saw it a few years after it came out. Um, so my, remember when is this? I saw Halloween and then I slept on my parents’ floor for over a year. Oh my God. And it’s a real challenge in my life. Like I have had to do therapy around this, not around the movie Halloween, but [00:18:00] around. It’s so funny ’cause you and I were just talking about this, how my, I can get really intrusive thoughts about this kind of stuff.

Cathy: I was terrified just of being terrified. So I think the, what happened is seeing something at a time when my brain was changing so much Yeah. And hormones and life was changing and I was becoming a young woman and going through all these things, I just was terrified. Yeah. I was just like, I didn’t even know why my parents were not fans.

Cathy: Of me sleeping on their floor, it became, they were kind of annoyed at me all the time. And I have a lot of issues from that too because, um, you know, these are small teas. Everybody, I just mean, like, I didn’t sleep well. Yeah. For about a year or two, like where I, and I would like try and like befriend my sister before bed and be like, Hey, you know, I’ll give you this, I’ll do that.

Cathy: And then she’d be like, Nope, you’re not sleeping in here. So, like, I tried to do things.

Todd: Thanks lot, Christine. I

Cathy: didn’t have to sleep alone. She, she knows, and she, you know, she [00:19:00] doesn’t, who wants her little sister? I would say she’s in high school. She doesn’t want me sleeping on her floor. Um, but that’s the thing is it was like an obsession for me.

Cathy: So what I ended up doing is I was so overly obsessed with this movie that when Halloween, Halloween two had probably already come out. And in seventh grade you had to do a science project. And I made my science project about Halloween too. Love it. And I made, I made people watch scenes from it. They had to get a permission slip and they were bad, scary scenes.

Cathy: And then I took their blood pressure to see if their blood pressure went up.

Todd: Um, here’s my thing, my take on your science experince. I think it’s awesome. Yeah. I think I’m, I’m guessing that their blood pressure went up correct when they saw it. Yes. But I think it would be even further up if, if you put ’em into a dark room and if you had them watch the whole movie, which you didn’t do, you just clipped the scenes, right?

Cathy: Yes. ’cause it was rated our movie. So even to see the scenes, I was go, these kids were [00:20:00] 12 or 13 years old. Yeah. So the whole, and this is seventh grade science. I mean, this is, most people are just doing like, I watered my plant and here, you know. But I did go to state with it. Did you? Yeah, I did. That’s awesome, dude.

Cathy: Yeah. Um, and, uh, right, didn’t you go to state with yours too,

Todd: sweetie? I got a third place out of third at my science fair.

Cathy: Well, once I went to state, nothing happened. But I feel like I got a first or second.

Todd: Well, I wanna be clear, I got third, out of third. Nobody got every, the, the ribbons either got, I think the green one, which is like outstanding and you’re advancing to the next level.

Cathy: Yeah, that was, yeah, that was me

Todd: first place, which is a red ribbon I think, or maybe a blue. Okay. And then second place and like, like 15 people got first place, 15 people got second place, like five people got the green, the good one. And like a handful of us got the third place, which means they had no idea what the hell was going on and neither did I.

Cathy: And you were one of those people. Yeah. Sorry about that. So. I just wanna share those two things because that [00:21:00] alone for me, like this movie had an impact. And the other thing that happened after that, so my third thing after my science project is then I became obsessed with horror movies because I had to overcome this fear.

Cathy: Again, I had no idea that I was doing this, but I had to like, learn how to tolerate it. Yeah. You know what I mean? I had to like get

Todd: comfortable with the discomfort.

Cathy: Exactly. And I started going on roller coasters and, and a lot of this is just normal development. It’s just Halloween was kind of what kicked off.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: My, I have to take some risks. I, I need to push myself a little bit. And now we may say, did I,

Clip: yeah,

Cathy: maybe I didn’t, but that’s what I did.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: And um, so it was scary. Yeah. And now I watch Halloween like. Like it’s, you know, now it’s nothing. I’m

Todd: telling you, if we decide to watch it tomorrow night and shut the lights off and we hear some creeks in the house, I got a feeling your blood pressure will go up.

Todd: Should we do a science project? Yeah, let’s just do that. Take my blood

Cathy: pressure. Yeah. I, I don’t [00:22:00] know. I, so, um, anyway, yeah. Thank you. Do you

Todd: know the human head weighs eight pounds. Okay, I got a bunch of these.

Cathy: Okay, go ahead. I do too. But you go first and then I’ll add mine.

Todd: Uh, we already talked about the budget.

Todd: It was shot in the spring in 1978. So the crew had to buy fake autumn leaves, paint them, scatter them around for shots. The mask was William Shatner’s face. Correct. And then they modified it a bit, they cut the eyes wider. Is that right? And then they spray painted it white and they spray painted it white, which is just very interesting ’cause then it is a scary mask.

Todd: But who would’ve thunk it and spray painted the hair dark? And they don’t know where that mask is. I think.

Cathy: Yeah, they do not know.

Todd: Uh, Michael Myer’s name. He was named after a real film distributor in the UK who had helped a carpenter with an earlier movie. Uh, the Shape. In the script and credits. Michael isn’t called Michael Myers, but the shape emphasizing that he is more of a force of evil than a person.

Todd: Yes. Uh, Nick Castle’s role castle, a friend of carpenter was Cass [00:23:00] Myers, mostly because he hung around the set. He later became a director and he directed the Last Star Fighter and Dennis the Menace, they

Cathy: actually, uh, the clip that we saw of him, he, he was totally hanging around and they’re like, if you’re gonna hang around then just put the costume on and we can get some shots of you by the laundry.

Cathy: Yeah. And at the end of the street, and they used it. They used it. Mm-hmm.

Todd: Uh, Jamie Lee Curtis debut, this was her first major film role casting her, uh, was also now to her mother, Janet Lee, who was in what? Sweetie Psycho. That’s right.

Cathy: And her father was Tony Curtis.

Todd: Uh, yes. Tony Curtis, who was in the funniest movie of all time, apparently something like It Hot.

Todd: Something like It Hot. I’ve never seen that. PJ Souls who played Linda, she got the part. Partly because of her memorable role in Carrie? Yes. Now I don’t remember Carrie.

Cathy: Okay.

Todd: Was she just one of the girls in high school? She was one of Carrie’s friends, yeah. Who wasn’t so friendly probably. Yeah. And I think PJ Souls was also in stripes.

Todd: She was in stripes, yep. Yes. And um, she was naked, I think in stripes and Halloween. I

Cathy: think the whole talk about stripes, you know, not [00:24:00] knowing things from airplane. You remember we were talking about airplane? Yeah. And we didn’t understand things. Yeah. Do you remember the whole like spatula thing? Yeah. In stripes?

Cathy: Yeah, I do. And I remember I was watching with my dad and he was kind of like, this part, you don’t wanna watch it. And I didn’t understand why it was anything. Yeah. He just kind of

Todd: poking and prodding in a probably not so consensual way.

Cathy: Correct. And he’s calling, he called it something

Todd: like the spatula treatment or something.

Todd: Uh, the anima treatment. Anima treatment.

Cathy: That was it.

Todd: Um, but I don’t think she got naked in stripes, but I know she got naked in Halloween. Mm. Right. Mm-hmm. Okay. He

Cathy: did she and Bob have a relationship?

Todd: And Bob’s got the glasses.

Cathy: Yes.

Todd: Bob has the glasses. And Michael Myers had the glasses on for a short time.

Todd: He thought

Cathy: he was super funny and he put on Bob’s glasses. But we need to pause there.

Todd: All right. So

Cathy: Michael Myers, he, not only can he drive a car, he has a sense of humor. He kills Bob. Yeah. He’s like Sia

Todd: now. Wait, was he trying to be funny? Was Michael Myers trying to be funny or was he trying to be. Um.

Todd: Strategic because if [00:25:00] he has the glasses on over the ghost outfit, then she won’t be as alarmed. But why

Cathy: does he care? Why does he care if she’s alarmed, not alarmed, like he’s gonna kill her no matter? Like why is he like, I gotta be really thoughtful about this. Like, he’s obviously does not care. All

Todd: right.

Todd: So

Cathy: the whole scene is really funny.

Todd: Uh, there’s almost no blood. Actually.

Cathy: I just said that whole scene is really funny. It’s not funny. It’s not funny at, but it’s funny that he’s trying to be funny.

Todd: Yes. Uh, there’s almost no blood despite its reputation. Halloween has very little gore, no gore, which is kind of cool about it.

Todd: Right?

Cathy: Again, another thing that the producers thought, or the guy, the people who wrote it, John Carpenter and Deborah Hill wrote it, but they got a note from the guy who was like fronting the money saying things are scarier. He, he, he actually said that he used to listen to radio, scary radio shows. My mom did too.

Cathy: She talked about it all the time, like science fiction on the radio and that our brains create scarier ideas Yes. Than seeing it. I totally agree with that. So he’s like. Stretch things out and don’t show [00:26:00] us that much. Yep. And we will be terrified.

Todd: Uh, study Cam Magic. The opening POV tracking shot of young Michael killing.

Todd: His sister was groundbreaking and helped popularize the study cam in horror. Uh, first final girl archetype. Lori Strode played by Jam Lee Curtis is often cited as the beginning of the final girl horror trope, though some argue. Texas Chainsaw Massacre Sally came first. What’s your experience with Texas Chainsaw Massacre, sweetie?

Cathy: Um, can’t stand it. I honestly, I saw what, like, ’cause it’s bad or because it’s scary. There is, there is. It, it’s so awful. Like I, there’s, so there’s some scenes in that movie that I’m, that maybe if I watched it now ’cause I’m older and whatever. But I remember one scene that I was like, I can’t even tolerate this anymore.

Cathy: And I think I’ve told you this before. Do you know what scene I’m talking about? Oh, in Texas. Chainsaw. Massacre. He leatherface picks up this girl. I can’t even say it without like losing my, puts her on a meat hook, puts her on a hook. That’s

Todd: right.

Cathy: And I mean, puts her,

Todd: [00:27:00] yeah.

Cathy: And I was like, I’m out. Yeah. It, I am.

Cathy: I like to be scared. I do not like that. I like, I don’t watch any like torture porn movies. Not my jam at

Todd: all. Um,

Cathy: can we talk about the final girls though?

Todd: Hold on a

Cathy: second.

Todd: Oh, I just want to, I don’t know about the Texas Chainsaw Massacre theme, but I’m about to press it. So let’s see. Let’s see what it sounds like.

Todd: I have no idea.

Todd: It’s kind of creepy. This is a theme. It says theme. It’s four minutes long. There’s not a lot going on. Yeah. I don’t think

Cathy: that’s a theme. Oh, that’s pretty good. That’s pretty scary. Yeah. No bueno.

Todd: So you don’t wanna watch Texas Chainsaw Math with No, that will not

Cathy: be one of our movies in this month of scariness.

Cathy: Okay. So can we, I know you’re not done with all your random facts. Yeah. But can we stop on Final Girl for a second? Sure, babe. So, the term Final Girl, it was actually come up with by a film scholar named Carol Clover, um, in a [00:28:00] 1992 book called Men, women, and Chainsaws about gender in modern horror film. So I could have done this during the deep part too, but let’s just do it here.

Clip: Okay.

Cathy: Um, so she used it to Final Girl is the, to describe the last surviving female character in any slasher movie. It’s basically the one who confronts the killer and fights back and lives, right? Yeah. Um, so here’s the traits of the Final Girl. She’s usually morally pure, which means compared to her peers.

Cathy: So she’s not drinking, she’s not having sex. She’s like the one who is more, um, refined and scared. And even the way they dress, Lori, in this movie, like her girlfriends are like having fun and you know, going out smoking, smoking, bigger ass, smoking pot. Yeah. And she just doesn’t, she studies and she babysits, you know, so, so let that be a lesson kids.

Cathy: Right. And they may, and this is not only does this follow through in Friday, 13th and other movies, but they make fun of it and scream.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: You know, um, the next thing, the final girls always resourceful and smart and super [00:29:00] cautious and she’s often kind of boyish and unfeminine in some way. Um, you know, like doesn’t, you know, not the pretty, pretty girl.

Cathy: Yeah. Right. Um, and so obviously the final girl trope is. Problematic and also somewhat progressive. I mean, you’ve got, usually there’s not a final guy. Yep. So it’s nice that there’s a girl who survives. But the problem, the problematic part is that it reinforced the double standards around gender and morality.

Todd: Yep.

Cathy: So I wanted to talk about my top five favorite final girls. Do you have a list?

Todd: I do not have a list. I want you to do that list, but, uh, one more random fact. Sam Loomis’s name is taken from Janet Lee’s boyfriend and Psycho. That’s all I got.

Cathy: His name was Sam Loomis.

Todd: Apparently. I don’t know. I don’t remember Psycho that well.

Cathy: Yeah, that’s real. There’s a lot of that little stuff in here, and I’ve got a few things too, but let’s just do this list for fun. All right. Okay. You ready? Do you have any clapping?

Todd: Uh, yeah, I got some clapping. Okay.

Cathy: My number five. I’m gonna start with my number five. Final girl that I love [00:30:00] is, um, a character named Maddie in the movie Hush by Mike Flanagan.

Cathy: Um, his wife, Kate Siegel is the girl who survives.

Todd: She’s your number five.

Cathy: She’s number five. Do you remember Hush? She, she can’t hear. Yeah, it was pretty good. Yeah, it was really good. Pretty good. Number four is Sydney Prescott. I scream. That’d be Campbell Nev. Yep. She’s pretty good. She’s a fighter. She’s, well, she’s really good.

Cathy: They’re all fighters. Right. And she kind of, she actually has sex with, uh, skeet Rick. Is that his name? Skeet. Ulrich.

Todd: You’re asking the wrong person. Okay.

Cathy: Anyway, her boyfriend in screams, so she’s kind of defying that part.

Todd: Mm. You

Cathy: know, but Oh yeah.

Todd: So she’s not pure.

Cathy: Right. Got it. Right. Uh, number three, Nancy, our girl Nancy in a nightmare on Elm Street.

Cathy: Yeah. Yeah. Starts to get some gray hair,

Todd: you know. Oh, she does

Cathy: remember

Todd: that? She has a gray strip. I know. She’s sleep deprived. That’s all I know.

Cathy: She’s exactly number

Todd: two. Alice, Friday the 13th. Alice. Who’s Alice? Alice. Oh, is that the girl in the, in the [00:31:00] canoe?

Cathy: Yeah.

Todd: Oh, yeah. And

Cathy: D doesn’t get Jason. She gets Jason’s mom.

Todd: Yes, she does. And Jason gets her in that dream, but it’s really not.

Cathy: Well, he gets her in Friday. 13th part two. Yeah. So she’s only a final girl for so long. And then number one is Lori is our girl, Lori, of course. Congratulations. Okay. Do you have any other, um, random facts?

Todd: Uh, I don’t have any other random facts.

Todd: I do wanna do, uh, something as long as we’re talking about other movies, I want you to do a bracket. So I’m gonna ask you, you have to choose between one of these two movies and it’s about their endings. Not like the quality of the entire movie, but the endings. Okay. Okay. So let’s see. I’m gonna have to write this down as I go.

Todd: Um, we have six sense. This is assuming you’ve seen all these,

Cathy: I think I have

Todd: six sense versus Rosemary’s baby.

Cathy: Well,

Todd: I’m gonna say six sense. Okay, we got six sense advancing. Uh, and then we got Friday the 13th. The first one. [00:32:00] First one versus paranormal activity. Oh, that’s hard. I know. You gotta choose, babe.

Todd: Oh,

Cathy: that’s hard. Mm-hmm. That’s too hard. Why’d you put those up against each other?

Todd: Because there’s other good ones that you, you don’t even know about. I’m gonna say paranormal activity. All right. Friday 13th is out of the running. Uh, we got Blair Witch versus Halloween. Halloween. That was easy for you. So we got get rid of them.

Todd: Uh, the others versus the ring. Oh,

Cathy: I’m gonna say, okay. The ring terrified me, but the, do you remember I watched it when we were on vacation together? I do. I do. I was by myself. It was a dumb move.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: Um, but the others has a great ending.

Todd: Okay, so you’re gonna go with the other? Yes. Okay. So there, uh, the ring is out.

Todd: Scream versus us scream sweetie. Good. I don’t like us. Okay. Uh, seven versus get out. Oh,

Cathy: I love ’em both.

Todd: I know you gotta choose, babe. We’re talking

Cathy: about endings. Endings. I’m just gonna go with Get Out. It’s just a better movie.

Todd: Truth. What’s in the box? Box? I love, I’ve seen seven a bunch of times, but what’s in the [00:33:00] box?

Todd: Okay. Um, okay. Six Sense versus Carrie. Uh, six Sense. Okay. Carrie is out of the running. And then we got, um, psycho versus, uh, paranormal activity. Paranormal

Cathy: Activity.

Todd: Okay. Just so you know, psycho. And I was

Cathy: bored in Psycho.

Todd: I know Psycho. And, um, the other one I just said were first and second seeds. You just kicked out the one and two seeds.

Cathy: Yeah,

Todd: I didn’t like it. What I give. So now we got six sense versus paranormal activity

Cathy: just by the ending.

Todd: Yep.

Cathy: I’m gonna do Six Sense.

Todd: Okay. That’s, that’s a tough one. It’s

Cathy: got a great ending.

Todd: Uh, we got Halloween versus the others

Cathy: Halloween.

Todd: All right, so the others is gone and now we got Scream versus Get Out.

Cathy: Get out.

Todd: Um, and then we got a three-way tie for less. Okay. So you got six Sense Halloween [00:34:00] or get out endings.

Todd: What’s your favorite

Cathy: Halloween?

Todd: Halloween? It’s very appropriate. I will probably say Sick. Uh, get out. Get Out is such a great movie. It’s not even funny.

Cathy: Yeah.

Todd: So congratulations on the Bracketology, sweetie. I’m not shocked that you chose Halloween. Where’s my clapping? Um, I got you some clapping. Okay.

Cathy: Okay.

Cathy: Can I give a few more random facts? Yeah,

Todd: go ahead.

Cathy: Okay. A few more random facts is that, uh, the entire movie was shot in 20 days.

Todd: Pretty good.

Cathy: Um, that it like totally led to the, as we said, the slasher boom in the seventies and eighties. So it inspired Friday the 13th. It inspired a nightmare on Elm Street.

Cathy: Uh, Toby Hooper did the Fun House and then a bunch of others that were less known maniac the Summer Party massacre. Then it led to the nineties, they call it the meta reinvention wave, and that’s when Scream came,

Todd: which was really good.

Cathy: Yes, Wes Craven’s [00:35:00] scream and then, and Kevin Williamson wrote it. He also did Dawson’s Creek.

Cathy: Um, and then Kevin Williamson also did I Know What You Did last summer and I know what you did last summer is having a comeback right now. Um, they did another one. And then the Modern Horror Directors Rob Zombie redid Halloween in 2007. Um. Then Todd and I were going through all the Halloween movies last night.

Cathy: We were laughing about how many different,

Todd: yeah, quite a few.

Cathy: Can you pull ’em up so we can like read ’em all?

Todd: Um, I thought you already had that in your head. Did I? I thought you did. I

Cathy: don’t know. But anyway, just to finish other modern horror directors, James Juan. He did, saw the conjuring Insidious saw. See you later out.

Cathy: That’s torture porn. Don’t like it. Conjuring is pretty good. Insidious is pretty good. And then my favorite of all favorites, Mike Flanagan. Hush Haunting of Hillhouse Dr. Sleep. Midnight mass. Um, and then, let’s see. I think that is it for random facts except one other really kind of side note. Yeah. Is that.[00:36:00]

Cathy: I have a thing with two of my best girlfriends from college where we just send each other funny Michael Myers things.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: And on TikTok, if you wanna laugh, and I don’t know if it’ll make you laugh, but you can go on TikTok and find a dancing. Mike Myers. Yeah. And Michael Myers. And we just send those to each other.

Cathy: And there’s also this dad and this kid who go around dressed up as Michael Myers. I don’t know why. It’s funny. It’s very funny. It, it is.

Todd: Um, the original John Carpenter timeline. Halloween, 1978. Halloween 2, 19 81. It picks up the same night. Lori’s in the hospital.

Cathy: The, yeah.

Todd: Halloween

Cathy: two is just a Gore Fest.

Todd: Uh, Halloween, three season of the Witch standalone. No. Michael Meyer. Totally different movie. That’s really interesting. Halloween four, the return of Michael Myers brings, he returned, brings Michael back and introduces Jamie Lloyd, whoever that is.

Cathy: You know Jamie Lloyd? We watched Halloween four last year.

Cathy: Remember Jamie Lloyd is the little girl. Oh. And the whole intention was to be like, ’cause she is related to Michael Myers and that’s why he [00:37:00] comes back to get her. And then when he’s dying, finally she touches him. Mm-hmm. And the, and then at the end of Halloween four, she has killed someone and they were trying to run with the theme of his awful essence is now in her.

Cathy: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Todd: But it didn’t work out. Halloween. Five, the Revenge of Michael Myers. It continues. Jamie Lloyd’s story. And then 1995 Halloween, the curse of Michael Myers expands on the cult of Thorn storyline, whatever the hell. Oh yeah. I don’t know. So now we got something called an H2O timeline,

Cathy: and that is Jamie Lee Curtis comes back.

Todd: Yeah. Halloween. H2O. 20 years later, Lori returns living under a new identity and then Halloween Resurrection in 2002. Reality show in the Myers House infamous for Busta Rhyme versus Michael. There’s no way that’s true. I think chat GBT is messing with

Cathy: me. I think your AI is No, no. Good.

Todd: Rob Zombie remakes.

Todd: Yes. H So let me go back. Halloween, 2007. Yeah. A reimagining. Have you ever seen that one? Rob Zombie’s version? I have not [00:38:00] seen Rob Zombie’s. Halloween and then Halloween two. So he redid. Mm-hmm. The original and the second one. Mm-hmm. That’s interesting. And then we got this guy named David Gordon Green Trilogy Direct sequels to 1978.

Todd: Ignores everything else. Halloween. It’s, it was in 20 18, 40 years later, Lori versus Michael again. Yep. Halloween kills. The mob hunts, Michael.

Cathy: So like, first of all, the Halloween, there’s H2O and then we get to Rob Zombie stuff. And then this guy has a trilogy of Lori Comes back again. She’s older. Yeah. And they’re like, this is the end.

Cathy: Yeah. But then it’s not, and then it goes to Halloween Kills. And that’s the trailer we were watching the other night that has Anthony Michael Hall.

Clip: Right.

Cathy: And then Kyle Richards, who was in, uh, real Housewives and she played the young Lindsay in the first Halloween. And then it’s her bring her back playing the older Lindsay.

Cathy: And they’re like, remember the trailer? They’re like, it ends tonight.

Todd: Well, guess what? It didn’t. Oh. And. So that’s 2021 Halloween Kills, and then [00:39:00] 2022 Uhhuh Halloween ends. It’s the final show down final between Lori and Michael, and it’s called Halloween Ends. It reminds me of the who concert that you and I went to in 1989, and it was the Farewell Tour.

Todd: It

Cathy: was the Farewell Tour, and we went to that concert and we were like, this is the last time we’ll ever see the Who. And they’re on tour right now. They, and we’re

Todd: 54 pouring for like 35 years as their farewell. It’s kind of like the going out of, uh, business sale at the furniture stores. Yeah. And

Cathy: it’s, they’re always going outta business.

Cathy: Yeah,

Todd: they, they’re, they’re, they’re alive and well. Yeah. And they’re going outta business sale. Um, okay. Are we ready for the next category? Yes. Uh, I think it’s this one WTF

Clip: Boy that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got outta hand fast. It jumped up a

Todd: notch. It did, didn’t it? It did, didn’t it? All right.

Todd: Um, so I think that we’ve covered all of my wtf. Lemme just see. Okay. There’s one scene at the end where Michael’s got a clean shot at Lori. Like, she’s like, she’s not looking at him. She’s looking the other [00:40:00] direction. Uhhuh. And you see like she’s in the doorway, maybe the doorway. And, and you see the knife come up and he’s got like a clean shot.

Todd: Yeah. And he stabs and, but he only gets her sleeve. He just gets her sleeve. Yeah. So like WTF and then she like falls over the railing. He sure does. At the bottom of the stairs. Yeah. Even though she didn’t really even get hit. I know, but I think the, the force pushed her over. Really? No, I don’t think so. Oh.

Todd: So that’s my big deal with WTF like Michael, come on. I mean, the, the driving thing is the best part of this whole idea.

Cathy: Yeah. So he. He, the driving thing and the dawning of the outfit. Uh, the new outfit. The donning. The donning. And then as we already mentioned, the worst parents in the world. Okay, because here’s what’s going on, the sheriff is completely disengaged.

Cathy: Basically, Dr. Loomis is running around town with his head on fire. Yes. He’s like, evil has come to your town. Like he’s telling everyone, and everyone’s like, yeah, what? Can I bring a little more Dr. Lummis in? Yes, [00:41:00] please.

Clip: I met this 6-year-old child with this blank pale emotionless face. And the blackest eyes.

Clip: The devil eyes.

Todd: Oh boy. Oh. There’s a whole nother scene I wanna play, but that’s all right. So, yeah, Dr. Loomis, and he’s just running around town. Yeah. Like, what’s he doing? He’s like hiding in the bushes.

Cathy: Yeah. Like, what is this guy doing? Wait till we even get to that scene. Okay. This, it’s insane.

Clip: Okay.

Cathy: So anyway, he’s like saying to the sheriff, dude, you have got to pay attention.

Cathy: He’s the one who broke into the hardware store. He’s going to, he’s back, he’s,

Todd: he’s your town. He’s, he’s driving the station wagon.

Cathy: He’s driving the station wagon. He’s donning me off it. He’s, he’s, he’s actually says to the sheriff, death has come to your town.

Todd: There is a funny idea that like, there’s a part where Lori’s walking down the street, down the sidewalk with her girlfriend, Uhhuh, and the, the station wagon just drives by and it’s Michael just like cruising the neighborhood.

Todd: And not only is,

Cathy: is [00:42:00] that what happens, but then her friend Annie turns around and says. Speed kills.

Todd: Really? Because

Cathy: he is driving too

Todd: fast. Oh wow. So he’s, he’s not obeying the speed limits and then

Cathy: he stops. Oh, he does. And it’s creepy. And that, so that’s the thing, there’s a bunch of things going on in the movie.

Cathy: Lori keeps seeing him. Yeah. Around town.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: And he’s like in the laundry and he’s like across the street from her school.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: And he’s like at the end of the block and she’s like, this is creepy. Yes. So what I’m saying here is that the sheriff finally starts telling the other police officers like, this is bad.

Cathy: Yeah. And maybe we should do something. But all the parents still decide to go out to parties. Yeah. They’re all like, we’re leaving. You’re getting a babysitter swing. The first

Todd: things first. I mean, they gotta go off. Oh, I

Cathy: thought you’re gonna play something.

Todd: No, no.

Cathy: They just gotta go off. But we basically see no parents.

Cathy: Not only that, but there’s a scene at the end when Lori is like running to a house because she’s like getting followed and [00:43:00] the family turns their lights out and locks their door. Yeah. Like this town is is something’s off.

Todd: Um, I’m gonna throw five scenes at you real quick. Okay. And you tell me what I’m missing.

Todd: Okay. The opening sequence, which is where the young Michael Myers, uh, kills his sister. That’s the opening POV sequence. Yeah. Number two is when he escapes from the hospital. Yep. Uh, kind of creepy, uh, the Bob and Linda attack.

Cathy: Yeah. When

Todd: he does some intense, some good damage. The closet scene,

Cathy: I think. Who does he kill first?

Cathy: Annie or Linda and Bob. I feel like he gets Annie in the car with the. He strangles her?

Todd: Yeah. I don’t know. Yeah. Okay. Uh, and then we got the closet scene, which is really good. And then the final confrontation and disappearance of Michael.

Cathy: Okay.

Todd: So what big scene in the think.

Cathy: And there’s a scene with one of her friends and it’s a bit of a gratuitous 1980 scene.

Cathy: She spills something on her shirt. She has to take her shirt off. So yeah, it’s important. Puts it in the washing machines, walk around in her underwear. You know, there’s kinda like the girl again, it’s like Lori’s virtuous, her friends aren’t.

Clip: Mm-hmm. [00:44:00]

Cathy: And that whole scene is scary. And I actually, she gets killed in a car and um, I remember when the last time I watched it, I was like, that’s long scene.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: Like, they make us watch a lot of uncomfortable. Stuff

Todd: like, well, it’s very, that’s the way movies were made back then. I know.

Cathy: And it,

Todd: but we had a longer attention span.

Cathy: Yes. But it’s also like scarier and, and more uncomfortable. Oh yeah. That’s the stretching thing that think

Todd: Guy was talking about last night in the documentary stuff.

Todd: It’s so scary.

Cathy: So, okay. So a few other things. Um, when, when Linda gets strangled, when she and Bob, Linda and Bob, um, she’s on the phone with Lori. Lori is like, are you guys messing around? Mm-hmm. Like, and that’s kind of creepy. Yeah. You know, like it’s happening across the street. Um, let’s see, we already talked about Bob’s, the, the ghost, the sheet he puts on and he puts on Bob’s glasses.

Todd: Um, how does he see, maybe it’s a, just a different prescription or something. I don’t know. I don’t think Michael’s too worried about that.

Cathy: [00:45:00] And then the one California to Illinois thing is because it’s supposed to be in Hatfield, Illinois, but certain. Scenes, you can see palm trees. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, interesting.

Cathy: I mean, they’ve got to your, you know, they tried their best. They, they did this movie when it wasn’t the fall and they weren’t in, in Illinois. So like Todd said, they tried to drop the leaves and do all that, and they had to get a bunch of Gords and paint them orange because there were no pumpkins available.

Todd: Sweetie, did you know what a Gord was before we watched that documentary last night? I do know what a gourd

Cathy: is. I always thought gourds were like more eggplant shaped though.

Todd: What’s the difference between a Gord and a goiter?

Cathy: I don’t even think they’re in the same category. I think a goiter is something on your body.

Cathy: Yeah. And a gourd is like something that it grows from the ground like a pumpkin.

Todd: Got it. Um, that makes sense. Yeah. It’d be weird if I had a gourd on my body.

Cathy: Yeah, that would be not good. So anyway, I think that, and then I also talked about the, um, the final girl. We did that already. So I have. One more list.

Cathy: Sure. [00:46:00] Um, my favorite boogeyman. Ooh. And I have eight. Okay. Okay. Because, you know, we knew the term boogeyman. Mm-hmm. Boogeyman. Um, and I don’t even know where that comes from. Why do we call him a boogeyman?

Todd: I feel like boogeyman is a generic term that, that crosses over so many different horror movies. I don’t know what the origin is

Cathy: and I know that, but like, why did you know Boogie Sounds funny.

Todd: Boogie sounds, yeah. Like we, we Boogie or I pick my nose and get a booger out there.

Cathy: Yeah. One of those things. So. You got your clapping ready?

Todd: Uh, yeah, but first I’m looking up the origin of the boogeyman, but go ahead.

Cathy: Yeah. Okay. So my number, I, I actually came up with eight.

Todd: Okay.

Cathy: Again, I was trying to be real and you know, be like, this is who I think the boogeyman are in my life.

Cathy: Yep. Number eight is Vena wrote Stranger Things. That’s a good

Todd: one.

Cathy: Um, he’s definitely a boogeyman and he has, there’s a lot of other things going on. Um, do you have any Stranger Things, music? Uh, not offhand. Sometimes my [00:47:00] expectations for Todd. Yeah. You’re like, I’m like, come on, come on. How

Todd: can it take

Cathy: you three

Todd: seconds?

Cathy: Come on, throw that in. So Vena is, he’s in Stranger Things and he’s definitely a bogeyman. Okay. My next one. You Chicago, people better know this. It’s son of Spli. Oh my gosh. Remember son of Ulli?

Todd: Yeah. And most so many people are like, what are you talking about?

Cathy: Yeah. So if you lived in Chicago, there were on WGN, there was this guy named son of Sully.

Cathy: I actually think before son of Sully there was Spin Gully and then that went away. And then, then he had a kid. Yeah. Then he had a kid. And so it was like he was, he was the introducer of scary movies. Mm-hmm. So if like there was a scary movie on WGN radio or WGN tv, he came on and he was corny and funny and he tried to like crack jokes.

Cathy: He was kinda like Elvira. Yeah. You know, if you know Well virus. Yeah. The male version of that. Correct. And so, but he kind of creeped me out.

Todd: Really? Yes. I’m gonna do a little bit of sun. I don’t know what this is.[00:48:00]

Todd: Remember that Berwyn

Clip: there Junior? Looks like we both escaped from the mayor’s bodyguard to the Chicago Fest. Just in the nick of time. I was just trying to sell her a handy kitchen tool. That’s I I just told her, here’s a blender complete for every job. Yes,

Todd: yes, yes. But with your accent. So this was like in between the scary movies that they were showing they would like do these little skits.

Cathy: Yes. And, and when I say I was scared, it just, even Elvira, they always, they had an eerie tone, like the crypt keeper from Tales from the Crypt or the, they were like our guides. Yeah. And, and I was young, right. It scared me. So Sun is Van Golis number seven. Number six is Ghostface.

Todd: Uh, who’s ghost face?

Cathy: He’s in Scream.

Todd: Okay.

Cathy: Oh yeah. That’s good. Right?

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: Yeah. He’s, and he’s different people in every Scream movie. Sorry to ruin that for you, but the only thing I wanna say is don’t

Todd: watch Scream

six.

Todd: Is that what we went to see in the theater? Yeah.

Cathy: We saw Scream six

Todd: in theater, and it was, and it was, the worst part is the first like, 10 minutes were really good.

Todd: I’m like, okay, we got a good horror movie. And then, then it was so

Cathy: [00:49:00] bad and

Todd: it was really bad. It was so bad. They put all their thought into the first 10 minutes.

Cathy: Yeah. And, and the stabbings were brutal.

Todd: Yeah. That like, remember I was like, it’s awful. I think that’s just ’cause we’re soft. Yeah. Because we’re not watching those movies anymore.

Cathy: The worst person who likes horror movies, like, I can’t tolerate it and I still get like, to get scared. It’s just, you know, whatever. And you like to cover your eyes quite often. I cover my eyes. Number five. Pennywise.

Todd: Uh, okay. It

Cathy: clown. Number four. This is, I’m stretching a little bit, but are you ready? Yeah.

Cathy: Smoke Monster from Lost. Wow. Because he was also man in black who was kind of a boogeyman, don’t you think?

Todd: Um, he tar terrorized people, so. Sure.

Cathy: Yeah. So I’m gonna say Smoke Monster. Um, not our rabbit.

Todd: No Smoke Monster.

Cathy: No, no, no. Man in black from Monster. Yes. Number three. Now I’m getting simple. Number three.

Cathy: Freddy. Mm-hmm. Freddy Krus. Yep. Um, number two. Jason’s mom. Oh, you so Jason’s not even in the top eight. No, I don’t like Jason. [00:50:00] I like Jason’s mom. She was a scary, scary boogeyman

Todd: sweetie. That’s a

Cathy: Jason was. Boy, that’s a hot take. I know. Jason was

Todd: dumb. The fact that Jason isn’t in your top eight, Jason’s not

Cathy: real.

Cathy: What? Jason was dead in the water for years. Oh my gosh.

Todd: Do we have to talk about logic here because there’s no logic to Michael Myers or Freddy Krueger and you’re pulling logic out. I am. I don’t

Cathy: like it. Jason’s mom, number one. Michael Myers, of

Todd: course.

Cathy: Okay, so those are my favorite boogie men. So if you want to go, um, do you want to do a little bit of, um, of depth?

Todd: I actually have something else that we’re gonna Oh, okay. So it’s gonna be the Michael versus Freddie versus Jason’s showdown. And I’m gonna make myself a little thing here. Okay. Michael, Freddie, Jason. And I’m gonna bring up different categories and you choose which one did it the best. Okay.

Cathy: Okay. I’m just reading something.

Cathy: I didn’t hear what you said.

Todd: Just tell me which of the [00:51:00] three, and I’m gonna tally who wins between Michael, Jason, and Freddy.

Cathy: Okay.

Todd: So we’re going to, we’re gonna rank their, not rank, but who has the best weapon? So Michael has the kitchen knife. Okay. Typically, Freddy’s got the razor glove. Hand. Hand hand things and Jason’s got a machete.

Todd: Who are you voting for? Freddy. Okay, so Freddy’s got one next home turf. Michael Terrorizes. Suburban streets and houses. Yep. Freddy. Terrorizes your dreams. And Jason Terrorizes Camp. Crystal Lake. Who are you gonna give it to?

Cathy: Uh, Freddy.

Todd: I agree. Number three, creepiest mask. Or look, we know what Mike Uhhuh.

Todd: Michael does. Freddy’s got the burned face with the striped sweater. Uhhuh and Jason’s got the hockey mask. Yeah,

Cathy: that’s dumb. Um,

Todd: who are you going with? Uh, I, I’m gonna go with Michael Myers on that one. Okay. Michael gets a little love there. Most brutal kills Michael. Silent, stabbings and strangulation.

Todd: Awful Freddy. Surreal d dream deaths. Crazy TV. [00:52:00] Bed or wall. It says whatever that means.

Cathy: Yeah, he comes out when they fall asleep of those things.

Todd: Uh, and then Jason, sheer strength, crushing heads, spears and accent. No. Yeah. Jason’s dumb. Who are you gonna go with?

Cathy: Um, I’m gonna go, the whole Freddy Krueger idea is insane.

Todd: So you’re gonna go with Freddy on that one? Yeah. All right. I am Freddy’s. Got three. Yeah. Best origin story, Michael. He has childhood trauma that translates into evil incarnate, but

Cathy: you have childhood trauma. This is my question. What happened?

Todd: Yeah. I don’t know. That’s a good question. Maybe those parents weren’t so surprised.

Todd: Maybe they knew they screwed up their kid. He was only six. You could screw up a kid in from for the first year in their life. I don’t know what was going on. Okay. But they locked him in a cage. Origin story. Okay, go ahead. Uh, Freddy is a child killer, burned alive by parents. Yes. Now Haunting Dreams, that origin story.

Todd: Him, Jason was a drowned boy who returned for undead revenge. Dumb. Uh, you’re gonna go with Freddy? Mm-hmm. All right. Freddy’s got four best sequel longevity. Uh, Michael starts in 1978, goes to [00:53:00] 2022. Mm-hmm. Freddy has nine films, plus Freddy versus Jason, Freddy versus Jason plus a TV show, apparently. Oh. Um, and then Jason has 12 films.

Todd: We’re still waiting for 13, which is hilarious. That would’ve

Cathy: been good. I’m, I’ve gotta go with Michael Myers because we just read how many Halloween Freddie Krug’s is like. Just a good idea.

Todd: Okay. Well you got four for Freddy, you got two for Michael. And Jason still looking for some love.

Cathy: Jason, if you have Jason’s mom.

Cathy: I’ll give her some love. Okay. She was creepy as

Todd: hell. She was, remember that sweater? I remember the sweater. Yes. Um, okay. Cultural icon status. Michael, define the slasher genre. Yes. Freddie was the MTV era Wise Crackling villain. Okay. What

Cathy: you are. So AI right now,

Todd: and Jason, he’s dying with pop culture shorthand for a whore.

Todd: Who are you gonna go? Uh, Michael. Michael gets, oh, he, he’s in second place. Uhhuh, uh, scariest V Music. Halloween or Freddie. And I’m gonna play Freddie in a [00:54:00] second. Actually, I’m gonna do ’em both, um, to just bear with me one second. And

Cathy: then Jason was the,

Todd: uh,

Cathy: that thing,

Todd: wait, that’s not, how’d it go? All right, so this is, uh, this one I got, I should be set up for the film.

Todd: You said this is this one.

Cathy: That’s Jason.

Todd: I actually kinda like this one. It’s creepy. It is creepy. And then now I’m gonna go one, two. Freddy’s coming for you. One, two. Freddy’s coming for you. This I think wins.

Todd: All right. Who are you going with?

Cathy: Uh, I’m going with [00:55:00] the Halloween theme. I think Freddie Kruger is scary. That’s funny. But this is classic.

Todd: I think it’s a two-way tie, even though there’s no ties. Mm-hmm. But all right, so you’re going with Halloween? Mm-hmm. So that, okay, so it’s all tied up. Let’s see what the tie breaker is.

Todd: You’re doing great by the way. Sweet. Thank you. Most likely to haunt your dreams. Michael shows up in your window. Freddy’s already in your dream. Literally. Jason pops up at summer camp.

Cathy: Jason. Goodbye. Bye girl. Bye. Um, I am gonna say Michael, ’cause he did haunt my dreams. I, I get it. That Freddy literally haunts dreams.

Cathy: But, um, you know, that was, the parents were trying to do something good, but it screwed their kids over.

Todd: Yes. Um, so sweetie, Michael did win by one. Yeah. Which is appropriate. I decided not to do the last one ’cause it’s so stupid. What is it? The ultimate horror icon, Michael. It just says the shape, the original silent stalker.

Todd: Yeah. Freddy. It says the talker, nightmare comedian. Turn killer. What is that?

Cathy: [00:56:00] Because he always had like, quirky one-liners. He’d be like, guess this. I, I can’t even come up with it. But he would say something to comment on what he was seeing in a funny way. And then, and I think there’s Friday the 13th where, or excuse me, there’s Nightmare on Elm Street where he did it a few times and then all the rest of the movies, they took it up a notch.

Todd: All right, here’s some Freddie one-liners.

Cathy: Please start.

Todd: Yes,

Clip: he’s God boy. Yikes. I don’t believe his fairytale. Oh no.

Cathy: Okay, sir.

Clip: Uh, CD hair. Tell Frank

Cathy: San. Yeah. Got it. I don’t wanna hear the slashing.

Todd: Are you scared or just bother? Just I

Cathy: don’t like to hear it. It makes me wince. Oh, okay. Well, it’s just a movie, sweetie.

Cathy: It’s okay. I understand. But it bothers me. Um, so yeah, I, it bothers. Okay. I think that Michael Meyers wins all the things.

Todd: Yes, he [00:57:00] did. Okay, so now we’re back to our categories. We’re getting back on track here. Um, did we do we did WTF? Yeah, we did that. Um, are we doing any rolling in the deep? Well,

Cathy: I, I, that’s why I was looking.

Cathy: I think I’m missing a page. Oh, no, I think, I think I said something about, um, I wrote something about I, I’ll just try and do it off the top of my head, I wrote something about how horror movies are purposeful and that they are supposed to be talking to us about what’s going on in our culture. Yeah. And, um, that our ability to be scared in a controlled setting mm-hmm.

Cathy: Um, is actually really helpful to our nervous systems because we can watch it and then have our blood pressure go up or have our adrenaline go up and then it ends. Yeah. And we can, it’s kind of like what I was saying, what I was doing when I was young is I was like, there’s so many things in the world to be scared of, but in a horror movie, it’s controlled.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: And that’s why a lot of women. And I think men too, but it typically, statistically it’s [00:58:00] women watch a lot of true crime and a lot of things like that because it’s like a, a controlled, um, version of them being able to watch something that they’re already afraid of, that that is a threat to them.

Clip: Right.

Cathy: You know, domestic abuse kind of situations. Stalkers, serial killers, they get women. Yeah. You know, we are the ones who are at risk and we watch it to kind of, it, it’s not so literal that we’re like, let’s figure out what we do. It’s just more like, I’m gonna watch this and feel like I have control.

Cathy: Mm-hmm. And that I can like say, oh, I would never do that, or I wouldn’t do that. And, you know, we, we kind of figure things out while we’re watching it. Um, and I think a lot of it is subconscious truth, but I think that there is, there are people who have written books about the importance of horror movies in our culture, like.

Cathy: Halloween came out after the whole Nixon Watergate thing. Yeah. You know about not trusting certain authority figures. You know, there’s, there’s a lot of commentary [00:59:00] on our society as a whole, and you just have to kind of dig a little deeper for it. Um,

Todd: gotta dig a

Cathy: little deeper. Um, so anyway, I am sorry. I, that’s all I have off the top of my head.

Cathy: I can’t, I lost my page. You’re doing great, babe. Yeah. So, and as far as like parenting and stuff, I, I, I, this isn’t really about Halloween, but just overall like. You know, kids usually wanna watch horror movies. Kids go through a point in their lives where they want to see horror movies. Yeah. And it happened with at least our first two kids.

Cathy: I don’t think Skyler got super into it. No. But both JC and Cameron had times where they’re like, I wanna watch scary movies. And we, I knew that time was coming, you know, and, and we kinda had to figure out what are we gonna start with? And we started with the sixth sense. Mm-hmm. Because there’s not a lot of gore, there’s no boogeyman.

Cathy: Yeah. It’s more of a, a tail that ends kind of positively. Yeah. The scary monsters turn out to be actually very sweet. Yes. And so, but it was that. You know, adrenaline rush, scary, and then a great twist ending. [01:00:00] Um, and so we kind of like did that. And now it’s interesting because JC still, she’s 22 and she’s really invested in certain kinds of horror movies.

Cathy: Yeah. She likes to stretch herself in that area. She doesn’t see all of ’em.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: But she’ll be like, oh, there’s this new John and then the

Todd: Paula thing, I’m scared. I’m like, oh, here’s an idea.

Cathy: Yeah. And then, but see, I’m just as bad. I mean,

Todd: like, oh, you’re not, I can so relate. You used to be that bad, but you are smart enough.

Todd: I’m smarter. Yeah. Um, so we have three things left to do in this show. All right. Let’s do it. The last thing that I wanna do, uh, is gonna be something called Halloween Walk of Life. And I’m gonna walk everybody through that. So just stay tuned for that. Okay. Uh, we also have to do the music game. Yes. And then, but I do wanna do this Halloween candy bracket for you.

Cathy: Okay. So

Todd: you’re gonna choose the candy. Which would you like better? Okay.

Cathy: Okay. I like Candy

Todd: Milky Way versus Candy Corn.

Cathy: Milk. Gosh, people are gonna get mad. Candy, corn. Oh my gosh. Like Milky Way.

Todd: I

Cathy: don’t

Todd: like candy Corn.

Cathy: [01:01:00] That’s fine. That’s you’re asking

Todd: me. Butterfinger versus Starburst.

Cathy: Um, uh, Butterfinger.

Cathy: Okay. That’s good. I don’t like Starburst. I don’t like candy. Three

Todd: Musketeers versus Skittles. Oh, three Musketeers. Hello. It’s my favorite, sweetie. Don’t ruin it. Uh, Reese’s Peanut butter cups versus candy Corn. Reese’s Peanut butter cups. Okay, so that’s out. Um, and now we got Kit Kats versus m and Ms.

Cathy: M and Ms.

Cathy: I put them in my popcorn when I’m at movies. Oh, you know what I just saw in the theaters? I saw weapons, which was scary. Did I did JC and I saw that. Yeah.

Todd: Uhhuh. All right. Mm-hmm. Keep going. Um, Snickers versus Butterfinger.

Cathy: Butterfinger.

Todd: Um, okay, so no love for S Snake. I

Cathy: don’t like snicker, I don’t like

Todd: peanuts.

Todd: Snickers always satisfies. That’s what I’ve heard. Twix versus, um, three Musketeers. Three

Cathy: Musketeers.

Todd: Oh no. Love for Twix. See, that’s a problem right there. So now we got, uh, you know, who

Cathy: else likes Three [01:02:00] Musketeers

Todd: who dart from Stranger Things? Yes, he does. Uh, we got Reese’s Peanut, buttercup versus M and Mss, Reese’s Peanut Buttercup.

Todd: Okay, so we’re done with that. And then we got, um, let’s see, oh, um, I got lost here. So we got Three Musketeers versus Butterfinger.

Cathy: Three. Three Musketeers,

Todd: and then Reese’s Peanut Buttercup versus what’s your top out of?

Cathy: It’s my top two candy is Reese’s Peanut Buttercup. And, and. Three Musketeers. And I know people who are yelling right now saying, three Musketeers is gross.

Cathy: I get it. It’s not gross. It’s just boring. I, well, but I like boring things. I like you like regular bubble gum. Regular. I like regular bubble gum, potato chips. I like regular potato chips. I like unsweetened iced tea. I like, I don’t like fruit flavor stuff. I just like born, I like plain pasta. I’m just a, I’m just a little boring.

Todd: Yeah. You’re, [01:03:00] um, you don’t need a lot in order to enjoy food.

Cathy: I like black coffee. Mm-hmm. No sweetener. Nothing. I like that. Basic taste.

Todd: Um, okay, so now we’re on music game.

Cathy: Okay. Um, were we gonna do top five horror movies of all time or should we save that for a different month? Yeah, let’s say

Todd: that for a different week.

Cathy: Okay. Okay. So. I do remember what I put down. Okay. Uh, do you have a song? I

Todd: do, but I feel like I always go first. So I want you to go first this time.

Cathy: Okay. So I was really struggling because there, it’s all too obvious. Yeah. But I decided to go with a song that is really obvious. Um, but it was popular around the same time that I watched it and I was scared and it fits the time.

Cathy: And it’s Rockwell.

Todd: Oh, uh, what’s the name of the cell? Was that yours

Cathy: too? No, uh, Rockwell. It’s called Somebody’s Watching Me. That’s pretty good. Thank you. Let’s just hear a little clip of that.

Clip: What do I always [01:04:00] feel? I always feel

Todd: how did Rockwell get Michael Jackson to do anything?

Cathy: There’s a whole story behind that.

Cathy: I, I remember reading about it and I can’t tell you, but that is such a good song for the this movie because that’s really the whole movie. Michael is following. Lori watching her, and she can feel it. That’s right. Yeah. So what Your

Todd: mine is this.

Clip: You’re talking to her, but you’re not saying anything. Why? I have nothing to say. Steal say something once. Why Say it again. I go. Saying, fuck.

Todd: Well, you know what’s

Cathy: weird? You know how I feel

Todd: about Talking Heads, so it’s a good song though. Is it? Oh, I love this song. Okay.

Cathy: What, what do you do to this song? Do you dance?

Cathy: Oh, I move, do Does it make you happy?

Todd: Yes. No, it makes me move and it makes me happy.

Cathy: I, and I, I [01:05:00] know again, people are just,

Todd: go ahead. See, good people

Cathy: are mad at me, so about, they’re mad at me about Sun Van Gli. They’re mad at me about Smoke Monster Three Musketeers and the fact that I don’t like talking Heads very much.

Cathy: Uh, there’s a few songs I like, but that’s someone, what do you do to, like, when you’re, are you in your car? Like jamming out to Psycho Killer? Yeah. You just sing along. Oh, wow. I always say that we should just like what we like. And so I don’t wanna put anyone down because I like a bunch of crazy, but you’re putting,

Todd: talking heads down, you’re putting down people that like talking heads and you’re, you’re putting down the people that are related to the people that like talking heads.

Todd: You

Cathy: know what

Todd: I

Cathy: like,

Todd: I like

Cathy: the song. And

Todd: she was, that was about

Cathy: it.

Todd: Oh, that’s a good song.

Cathy: That’s

Todd: a great song. Um, so sorry about that. So we gotta do a poll on our Instagram or something to see who wins

Cathy: on Insta Snapp,

Todd: because I don’t think it’s obvious. I think people might vote [01:06:00] for you. People might.

Todd: Mm-hmm. But I really want this one. I need a, I need a win. You, well, you’ve, you’ve won a lot at the beginning. Not lately. Okay. I’m not, I’m gonna, I’m gonna, I’m gonna, I’m gonna, I’m, I’m gonna like Jackie Gleason. I’m an m um, all right. I’m on a losing streak, but I need to break that streak with Psycho killer.

Todd: So, to close this show, Uhhuh. We, I’m gonna play a clip on YouTube. You guys can all find this. And my friend Chris Lozier, uh, brought this to my attention and it’s called The Walk of Life Project. And what they do is they, uh, pick the end of an Epic movie, and instead of playing the closing score, they play, uh, the Walk of Life by dire Straits.

Todd: So that’s all they do. They just put the audio on top at the very end,

Cathy: and it works with every movie,

Todd: and it works really well. So what I’m gonna do is I’m going to play the clip and I’m going to be like the, uh, play by play announcer. Okay. So this is the end of [01:07:00] Halloween.

Cathy: And are you getting it from the Walk of Life project?

Cathy: Yeah. Okay, good. All right.

Todd: So Lori just shot. So the doctor just shot Michael. Okay. He just fell. Oh, no. Oh,

Cathy: no.

Todd: So Dr. Loomis,

Cathy: Lori’s gonna ask

Todd: Lori,

Clip: what’s the boogeyman?

Todd: She say, was this the boogeyman?

Clip: As a matter of fact,

Todd: it was. It was. So he just got, then he looks over, just got shot six times. Oh, here comes. So now he is looking over the balcony and he sees the body’s missing.

Cathy: Yikes.

Todd: And Lori’s

Cathy: still crying.[01:08:00]

Todd: I don’t know why. I think this is so funny. And now it’s cut back to Lori and she’s crying

Cathy: because it’s like a happy song.

Todd: You gotta see it. Uh, but this is good too. And then now it’s, now they’re cutting to all the individual scenes. Oh, creepy. Um, so

Cathy: we should like, just talk about that really quick.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: I love Walk of Life project.

Cathy: Yeah. ’cause they do it at the, they do it for the end of the Godfather. Yeah. Also, which is hilarious. Yeah. Because, you know, it’s so serious when the door closes in Case like trying to look in. But anyway, they do it for Easy Writer. They do it for a bunch of them. But that end scene. That Todd just played for you.

Cathy: And usually you get the Halloween theme, but then they just cut to, while the music’s playing, they cut to the family room, they cut to the stairwell, they cut to each, all the places where he, every place he had been.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: And it’s so creepy. And I remember the first time [01:09:00] seeing it, seeing, thinking to myself, oh my God, that’s terrifying.

Cathy: And that was like a last minute decision. They had to put something in to, they needed something. They needed something because the song was gonna run longer. Yeah. And they needed to fill it in. And they had just happened to get a bunch of those shots. Yeah. Because it was like prep shots. Yeah. So they just cut them.

Cathy: And again, this was filmed and it was perfect. And it was so scary. Yeah. So Halloween is just a pretty good movie and again, has all sorts of issues because it’s old and you know, they had no money and everything. But it’s one of those weird ones that. It’s also just ’cause it’s called Halloween. Yeah, let’s be real.

Cathy: That

Todd: helps, right? Because it supposedly it’s, they were gonna call it the babysitter murders or something like that. And it would’ve been so much worse. Yeah. Um, and Friday 13th is just like a spoof off of Halloween. It’s like a worse version of it.

Cathy: Well they say they got the, I mean it came after, you know, like you gotta have

Todd: it on a date.

Todd: So we don’t wanna call it Labor Day. How about just Friday the 13th?

Cathy: Like, it’s so interesting because growing up in Illinois, so we had Haddenfield [01:10:00] Illinois wasn’t a real place, but again you thought it was in Illinois. And then Camp Crystal Lake. Crystal Lake is also in Illinois. Yeah. So we were like, man, we’re screwed.

Clip: Yeah.

Cathy: There’s a lot of murder. There’s just a lot of murdering going on. Um, and in good

Todd: old Illinois. So, um, I want to thank everybody for listening. Um, if you like this podcast, tell a friend and,

Cathy: um. You can give us a review. Yeah. We got a lovely, a recent review. Lovely. If you don’t wanna give a review with then don’t.

Cathy: Meaning if you don’t have anything good to say, then don’t. Um, but we’ve really enjoyed doing these movies and talking about these things. Um, this one felt more like a pop culture ring. Usually there’s a lot more depth to it, but it’s Halloween. Yeah. You know what I mean? We gotta figure

Todd: out what we’re gonna do the rest of the month.

Todd: But it’s gonna be something about scariness,

Cathy: maybe vampires, maybe werewolves, maybe like what other kind of things are out there? Ghosts.

Todd: Yeah.

Cathy: Demons. I don’t like demons. Yeah. I don’t wanna talk about demons.

Todd: I don’t wanna talk about my flare. I do want you to buy Kathy’s book called Restoring Our Girls.

Todd: Now I want you to consider, uh, joining Team Zen. We do Zen Parenting Live once or twice a [01:11:00] month. Kathy’s Women’s Group

Cathy: and follow my Substack too.

Todd: Follow Kathy’s substack. And then don’t forget, I just had lunch with Jeremy Kraft. He’s a Baldheaded Beauty. Yes. If anybody’s doing any painting or remodeling throughout the Chicagoland area, give him a call.

Todd: 6 3 0 9 5 6 1800. Thank you so much for joining us. Keep trucking.

Round two. Change a little bit. And change a little bit. Pretty pleasant.